The War of the Dwarves and Dragons and the History of Scatha – Lord of the Rings Lore

In the year 1981 of the Third Age, the Dwarves
of Moria finally accepted that they were powerless to defeat the Balrog that had taken over their
kingdom, and they had no choice but to flee from their ancient home and find new lands
elsewhere. Many of these Dwarves would follow their King
called Thrain the First to the Lonely Mountains where they established the great Kingdom of
Erebor, though some of these Dwarves chose to settle in the Grey Mountains in the far
North, a region that was mostly unexplored and rich, though it was also the home of Dragons. For these Dragons had fled to the land of
Forodwaith, an icey cold wasteland after the defeat of their master Morgoth at the end
of the First Age and they occupied the Eastern regions of the Grey Mountains known as the
Withered Heath, turning them into an infamous breeding ground. Now these Dragons were Cold Drakes, the weakest
out of all of Morgoth’s dragons, for they could not breathe fire, though even the least
of dragons was a terrible formidable foe that should not be taken lightly. One of the mightiest of these Cold Drakes
was Scatha the Worm who lived sometime during the 21st century of the Third Age, and he
pillaged many of the halls of the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains, gathering their gold
and riches in a great treasure hoard. Some of these Dragons, and perhaps even Scatha,
also troubled the Eotheod, the ancestors of the Rohirrim who had recently moved to the
valley beyond the rivers Greylin and Langwell in the shadows of the Grey Mountains, though
their King Fram, would ensure his people’s safety by slaying Scatha the Worm, a valorous
deed, which would be long remembered in the history and songs of Rohan. It seems that Scatha’s death at the hands
of Fram intimidating the Cold-Drakes of the Grey Mountains for they no longer attacked
the lands of the Eotheod, and all of the vast treasures and riches that Scatha had gathered
over the years were Fram’s for the taking. Now when the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains
learnt that Scatha the Worm was slain, they claimed ownership over this treasure hoard
that had been stolen from them and they demanded that Fram should return it to them, for they
felt that it was theirs by right, though Fram chose to ignore their request and he wouldn’t
even give up a single coin from this hoard. He probably felt that the Dwarves were incredibly
greedy to even consider making such a request especially since this was no mere foe that
he defeated, but a great Dragon, and so he decided to send the Dwarves a necklace made
out of the sharp teeth of Scatha along with a message stating that the teeth of a dragon
were hard to come by and that the Dwarves had no jewels that could match them in all
their treasuries. I think he was clearly mocking the Dwarves,
implying that since they weren’t able to slay Scatha themselves and claim their treasure
then they should respect Fram’s great deed and his own claim to these riches. It’s hard to say which party was in the
wrong here, though I feel that both the Dwarves and Fram could have handled it better and
perhaps they might have found some sort of compromise… However it seems that their story would end
in tragedy for many people believe that after the Dwarves received this insulting message,
they killed Fram and after that day there was no great love between the Dwarves and
the Men of the Eotheod. We’re never told whether the Dwarves reclaimed
any of this treasure or if it was kept by the Eotheod, however we do know of at least
one relic which remained in Rohan’s possession, an ancient Horn, that became an heirloom of
the House of the Kings of Rohan until it was passed on to the Hobbit Merry. Now the Dwarven Colony in the Grey Mountains
would grow stronger and larger for many of Durin’s folk started to gather there, and
in the year 2210, Thorin the First, the King of the Dwarves of Erebor decided to join his
people in the Grey Mountains, and he brought with him the Arkenstone for it was an heirloom
and symbol of the Kings of Durin’s folk. Over the next 360 years, these Dwarves found
many riches and prospered, possibly aided by the Dwarven Ring of Power that was held
by their king, though as is often the case with Dwarves their riches and greed would
be their downfall, for Dragons were attracted to gold and treasures, and the Dragons of
the North had been slowly multiplying and becoming strong once more. They came down upon the Dwarves in the year
2570 of the Third Age and they plunders many of the Dwarven Halls and treasures. The final straw came in the year 2589, when
the Dwarven King Dain the First and his second son called Fror were slain by a great cold
drake outside of the door of their very halls. The tragic loss of their king and his son,
caused many of the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains to abandon their halls for they were unable
to defeat these dragons, and many of them would follow Dain’s youngest son called
Gror to the Iron Hills, while the rest of the Dwarves chose to follow Dain’s eldest
son and heir called Thror to re establish the Kingdom of Erebor. They probably hoped that they would be from
the plague of Dragons once and for all, though merely 180 later, a dragon that was greater
and more ferocious than any that they had faced before would attack and drive them out
of their kingdom of Erebor, the mighty Dragon called Smaug. Anyway friends this wrap’s up today’s
video and I hope you enjoyed it. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this topic,
particularly on the story of Fram and the Dwarves. Which party do you think was most at fault? And who had the best claim over that treasure? As always if you’re interested check out
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  • Hey guys, I'm sorry for the delay but I've been really busy in my day to day life. I hope you're all doing ok in these difficult times 🙂 As always subtitles are available and feedback is welcome!

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  • Yay new video

  • Hey thanks

  • 16th viewer

  • I love your videos!!!

  • awesome content keep up the great content

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  • If King Thorin 1 found an arkenstone, then where from the other arkenstone King Thror named it "The King's Jewel?'

  • you're still the best ????

  • So in your video "where do orcs come from" you mention how they may have come from the many spirts that followed morgth and they became orcs but I think it's more likely that they became trolls or greater orcs like the goblin king but I think that trolls are more likely as itd be how they were made from stone as morgth would have carved a troll from stone and put a spirt in it

  • All well made videos I listen to your material while I game. Thanks for the Great content.

  • The conflict between the Dwarves and the Eotheod later was shown during the War of the Ring when Gimli and Eomer meets. They are clearly a bit confrontational, and it could have ended with blood if not for Aragorn. Much of the misfortune that came of the Dwarves greed was kindled by their rings of power. Even though dwarves could not be ruled, it drove them greedy. So in part, Sauron actually succeeded with those rings. Great video Karl 🙂

  • Is your name SCARL


  • Thank you for this wonderful video. I understand this time now much better !
    A fascinating time of dragons and dwarves at battle

  • Great video! Stay healthy.

  • Thats a great video. Geek zone you have inspired me to make my own LOTR YouTube channel. If you have any free time could you check it out obviously you don’t have to but it would be great

  • Dwarves ARE greedy assholes. That treasure was frams as soon as he killed the dragon. The dwarves were probably rude to Fram hence the tooth necklace.

    Another great video. Thanks.

  • The Dwarves were arrogant and greedy to demand the horde back. If they wanted it back so bad they should've killed it themselves to claim it. But they didn't so they lost all rights to it.
    I don't blame him for refusing to give it back to the dwarves, it was his. But I do think that perhaps it was dragon sickness that spurred his response of sending them the dragons teeth necklace.

  • I believe the dwarves were mostly if not wholly at fault. Their demand was unreasonable. Had they requested items of cultural [added after posting] significance Fran may have been more open to it. That being said Fran could have sent the necklace with a more diplomatic message (it was rarest & arguably the most valuable of treasure), & even an invitation of alliance to destroy all the drakes. Dangling more of the treasures would give an incentive for the dwarves (the alliance could have been offered by either party).

    On another note, what are your sources, the Lost Tales? It's been years, decades really, since I've read (some of) Tolkien's works & don't remember this.

  • I think all should have been split equally. Great editing and story telling and music ??

  • Great video

  • Can you please make a video about Bolg, the son of Azog

  • amazing video as always. I love this lore series your doing keep it going.

    I hope you are quarantining yourself well

  • Good video thanks

  • I think the Dwarf had more of a claim over the treasure. They are the ones who created the treasure in the first place. The king of Rohan could of worked out a deal with the Dwarf but it seemed Dragon sickness seeped into his heart.

    If he thought the Dwarf were being greedy, he might of just been blaming his greed on them.

  • Nice to see u back Karl!!!

  • Hi Carl. I think the guy who killed the dragon had a better claim on the treasure. But he could have given half of it back to the dwarves so the two races could have peace and maybe become friends. But the dwarves didn’t have to demand the treasure back. Anyhoo, good video. Have you considered making longer videos? I think people would like that. Hope your safe and healthy.

  • Sounds like they were both being greedy. Dwarves should have been willing to part with a healthy portion as reward and Fram should have recognized ultimately it wasn't his treasure to claim.

  • Hey Karl! Great video. Think you could do one specifically on Smaug (if you haven't already)? I find it interesting that Smaug came from the north, yet the north was home to cold drakes… that couldn't breathe fire. Makes you wonder if he was bred that way by either the dragons there or by some other force. Or perhaps… Did Smaug migrate with the cold drakes, or was he there to begin with, and did he rule over them? I would find it interesting if Smaug DID rule over them, but was so tempted by the treasure in Erebor that he left his mantle as ruler. Though, it does say in the Hobbit that he was younger when he first arrived in Erebor. Just a thought. I think you could have some fun with it. God bless!

  • Good Job ? you do such a good job on your videos! Keep up the awesome work

  • Who’s The greediest between dragons and dwarves?

  • Hi, your videos are excellent….Could you please make a video about Prancing Pony tavern if it's possible please

  • What happened to dragons? Or are they still up north during the war of the ring?

  • Great video man I love this stuff dragons are so badass

  • Finders keepers… He slew a great beast to claim the treasure for his own. If the Dwarves wanted the treasure they should have slain the beast themselves.

  • more treasure than my pony could ever carry!

  • I would love to learn more about the prehistoric creatures of middle earth such as the fell beasts and watcher in the water

  • Seems to me that the Dwarves just need to make smaller doors and halls….

  • Dwarf lore is Awesome! thanks for the great videos!

  • Another great video! If I may, I would like to suggest a theme. I would love to know more about the Shire and the hobbits. In the books I've read (LOTR, The Hobbit, Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales) I never could really understand where do the hobbits come from, if they exist somewhere else outside of the Shire, how was the Shire formed, the relation with the River Folk… I really think there's a lot to explore.

  • Fun Fact: All of Tolkien’s names Dragons were all killed by Men and the Balrogs were killed by Two Elves and a Maiar.

  • The dwarfs get a bad rap in the legendariam!

  • There’s always dragons wherever dwarves go haha

  • what makes a balrog so strong? is smaller than a mountain troll.

  • i often wondered about the 7 dwarven rings…its said that Sauron reclaimed them or dragons destroyed them…also its said that each dwarven hoard of gold of the 7 houses is founded by a ring or something like that? when the two dwarven realms fell in blue mountains in the destruction of beladrian most of those dwarfs fled to moria and the house of durin….the ring that was given to the lord of moria was taken back by Sauron in dol guldur…kind of makes you wonder if that house got more than one ring since it seems most lickly that the ones that got destroyed by dragons were destroyed by dragons in the war between dragons and dwarfs in the grey mountains.

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