The Persians & Greeks: Crash Course World History #5


Hi, I’m John Green, this is Crash Course
World History, and today we’re going to do some legitimate comp. civ., for those of
you into that kind of thing. Stan, I can’t help but feel that we have perhaps too many
globes. That’s better. Today we’re going to learn about the horrible
totalitarian Persians and the saintly, democracy-loving Greeks. But of course we already know this
story — there were some wars in which no one wore any shirts, and everyone was reasonably
fit. The Persians were bad; the Greeks were good. Socrates and Plato were awesome; the
Persians didn’t even philosophize. The West is the Best; Go Team! Yeah, well, no. [theme music] Let’s start with the Persian empire, which
became the model for pretty much all land-based empires throughout the world. Except for — wait
for it — the Mongols. [Mongoltage] Much of what we know about the Persians and
their empire comes from an outsider writing about them, which is something we now call
history, and one of the first true historians was Herodotus, whose famous book The Persian
Wars talks about the Persians quite a bit. Now the fact that Herodotus was a Greek is
important because it introduces us to the idea of historical bias. But more on that
in a second. So the Persian Achaemenid dynasty… Achaemenid?
Hold on… HowJSay: AkEEmenid or AkEHmenid They’re both right? I was right twice!? Right, so the Persian AkEEmenid or AkEHmenid
dynasty was founded in 539 BCE by King Cyrus the Great. Cyrus took his nomadic warriors
and conquered most of Mesopotamia, including the Babylonians, which ended a sad period
in Jewish history called The Babylonian Exile, thus ensuring that Cyrus got great press in
the Bible. But his son, Darius the First, was even greater,
he extended Persian control east to our old friend the Indus Valley, west to our new friend
Egypt, and north to Crash Course newcomer Anatolia. By the way, there were Greeks in Anatolia
called Ionian Greeks who will become relevant shortly. So even if you weren’t Persian, the Persian
Empire was pretty dreamy. For one thing, the Persians ruled with a light touch, like, conquered
kingdoms were allowed to keep their kings and their elites as long as they pledged allegiance
to the Persian King and paid taxes, which is why the Persian king was known as The King
of Kings. Plus, taxes weren’t too high, and the Persians
improved infrastructure with better roads and they had this pony express-like mail service
of which Herodotus said: “…they are stayed neither by snow nor rain nor heat nor darkness from
accomplishing their appointed course with all speed.” And the Persians embraced freedom of religion.
Like they were Zoroastrian, which has a claim to being the world’s first monotheistic
religion. It was really Zoroastrianism that introduced to the good/evil dualism we all
know so well. You know: god and Satan, or Harry and Voldemort… But the Persians weren’t
very concerned about converting people of the empire to their faith. Plus, Zoroastrianism
forbid slavery, and so slavery was almost unheard of in the Persian Empire. All in all, if you had to live in the 5th
century BCE, the Persian Empire was probably the best place to do it. Unless, that is,
you believe Herodotus and the Greeks. We all know about the Greeks: architecture, philosophy,
literature. The very word music comes from Greek, as does so much else in contemporary
culture. Greek poets and mathematicians playwrights and architects and philosophers founded a
culture we still identify with. And they introduced us to many ideas, from democracy to fart jokes. And the Greeks gave the west our first dedicated history,
they gave us our vocabulary for talking about politics. Plus they gifted us our idealization of democracy,
which comes from the government they had in Athens. Past John: Mr. Green, Mr. Green, Mr. Green,
Mr. Green — did you say fart jokes? Present John: Uhh. You don’t ask about Doric,
Ionian, or Corinthian columns. You don’t ask about Plato’s allegory of the cave.
It’s all scatological humor with you — It’s time for the open letter? Really? Already?
Alright. An open letter [the whoopee cushion sounds]…
Stan! To Aristophanes. Dear Aristophanes… Oh right, I have to check the secret compartment.
Stan, what… oh. Thank you, Stan. It’s fake dog poo. How thoughtful. So, good news and bad news, Aristophanes. 2,300 years after your death — this is the
good news — you’re still a reasonably famous. Only eleven of your forty plays survived,
but even so, you’re called the Father of Comedy; there are scholars devoted to your
work. Now, the bad news: Even though your plays
are well-translated and absolutely hilarious, students don’t like to read them in schools.
There always like, why do we gotta read this boring crap? And this must be particularly
galling to you, because so much of what you did in your career was make fun of boring
crap, specifically in the form of theatrical tragedies. Plus, you frequently used actual
crap to make jokes. Such as when you had the chorus in The Acharnians imagining a character
in your play throwing crap at a real poet you didn’t like. You, Aristophanes, who wrote that under every
stone lurks a politician, who called wealth the most excellent of all the gods… You,
who are responsible for the following conversation: “Praxagora: I want all to have a share of
everything and everything to be in common; there will no longer be either rich or poor;
[…] I shall begin by making land, money, everything that is private property, common
to all. […] Blepyrus: But who will till the soil? Praxagora: The slaves. Blepyrus: Oh.” And yet you’re seen as homework! Drudgery!
That, my friend, is a true tragedy. On the upside, we did take care of slavery. It only
took us two thousand years. Best wishes,
John Green When we think about the high point of Greek
culture, exemplified by the Parthenon and the plays of Aeschylus, what we’re really
thinking about is Athens in the fourth century BCE, right after the Persian Wars. But Greece
was way more than Athens; Greeks lived in city-states which consisted of a city and
its surrounding area. Most of these city-states featured at least some form of slavery, and in all
of them citizenship was limited to males. Sorry ladies… Also, each of the city-states had its own
form of government, ranging from very democratic — unless you were a woman or a slave — to
completely dictatorial. And the people who lived in these cities considered themselves
citizens of that city, not of anything that would ever be called Greece. At least until
the Persian wars. So between 490 and 480 BCE, the Persians made
war on the Greek City states. This was the war that featured the battle of Thermopylae
where three hundred brave Spartans battled — if you believe Herodotus — five million
Persians. And also the battle of Marathon, which is
a plain about 26.2 miles away from Athens. The whole war started because Athens supported
those aforementioned Ionian Greeks when they were rebelling in Anatolia against the Persians.
That made the Persian king Xerxes mad, so he led two major campaigns against the Athenians,
and the Athenians enlisted the help of all the other Greek city-states. And in the wake
of that shared Greek victory, the Greeks began to see themselves as Greeks, rather than as
Spartans, or Athenians or whatever. And then Athens emerged as the de facto capital
of Greece and then got to experience a Golden Age, which is something that historians make
up. But a lot of great things did happen during the Golden Age, including the Parthenon, a
temple that became a church and then a mosque and then an armory until finally settling
into its current gig as a ruin. You also had statesmen like Pericles, whose
famous funeral oration brags about the golden democracy of Athens with rhetoric that wouldn’t
sound out of place today. “If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all
in their private differences… if a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered
by the obscurity of his condition.” When you combine that high-minded rhetoric
with the undeniable power and beauty of the art and philosophy that was created in ancient
Athens, it’s not hard to see it as the foundation of Western civilization. And if you buy into
this, you have to be glad that the Greeks won the Persian Wars. But even if you put
aside the slavery and other injustices in Greek society, there’s still trouble. Do I have to say it, seriously? FINE. TROUBLE
RIGHT HERE IN RIVER CITY WITH A CAPITAL T AND THAT RHYMES WITH P AND THAT STANDS FOR
PELOPONNESE. Pericles’s funeral oration comes from a
later war, The Peloponnesian War, a thirty year conflict between the Athenians and the
Spartans. The Spartans did not embrace democracy but instead embraced a kingship that functioned
only because of a huge class of brutally mistreated slaves. But to be clear, the war was not about
Athens trying to get Sparta to embrace democratic reform; wars rarely are. It was about resources
and power. And the Athenians were hardly saintly in all of this, as evidenced by the famous
Melian Dialogue. Let’s go to the Thought Bubble. So in one of the most famous passages of Thucydides’
history of the Peloponnesian War, the Athenians sailed to the island of Melos, a Spartan colony,
and demanded that the Melians submit to Athenian rule. The Melians pointed out that they’d
never actually fought with the Spartans and were like, “Listen, if it’s all the same
to you, we’d like to go Switzerland on this one,” except of course they didn’t say
that because there was no Switzerland. To which the Athenians responded, and here
I am quoting directly, “The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.” Needless to say, this is not a terribly democratic
or enlightened position to take. This statement, in fact, is sometimes seen as the first explicit
endorsement of the so-called theory of Realism in international relations. For realists,
interaction between nations, or peoples, or cultures is all about who has the power. Whoever
has it can compel whoever doesn’t have it to do pretty much anything. So what did the meritocratic and democratic
Athenians do when the Melians politely asked not to participate in the fight? They killed all the
Melian men and enslaved all the women and children. So, yes, Socrates gave us his interrogative
Method; Sophocles gave us Oedipus; but the legacy of Ancient Greece is profoundly ambiguous,
all the moreso because the final winner of the Peloponnesian War were the dictatorial Spartans.
Thanks for the incredible bummer, Thought Bubble. So here’s a non-rhetorical question: Did
the right side win the Persian wars? Most classicists and defenders of the Western
Tradition will tell you that of course we should be glad the Greeks won. After all,
winning the Persian war set off the cultural flourishing that gave us the Classical Age.
And plus, if the Persians had won with their monarchy that might have strangled democracy
in its crib and given us more one-man rule. And that’s possible, but as a counter that
argument, let’s consider three things: First, it’s worth remembering that life
under the Persians was pretty good, and if you look at the last five thousand years of
human history, you’ll find a lot more successful and stable empires than you will democracies. Second, life under the Athenians wasn’t
so awesome, particularly if you were a woman or a slave, and their government was notoriously
corrupt. And ultimately the Athenian government derived its power not from its citizens, but
from the imperialist belief that Might Makes Right. It’s true that Athens gave us Socrates,
but let me remind you, they also killed him. Well, I mean they forced him to commit suicide.
Whatever, Herodotus, you’re not the only one here who can engage in historical bias. And lastly, under Persian rule the Greeks
might have avoided the Peloponnesian War, which ended up weakening the Greek city-states
so much that Alexander “Coming Soon” the Great’s father was able to conquer all of
them, and then there were a bunch of bloody wars with the Persians and all kinds of horrible
things, and Greece wouldn’t glimpse democracy again for two millennia. All of which might
have been avoided if they’d just let themselves get beaten by the Persians. All of which forces us to return to the core
question of human history: What’s the point of being alive? I’ve got good news for you,
guy. You’re only going to have to worry about it for about 8 more seconds. Should
we try to ensure the longest, healthiest, and most productive lives for humans? If so,
it’s easy to argue that Greece should have lost the Persian Wars. But perhaps lives are
to be lived in pursuit of some great ideal worth sacrificing endlessly for. And if so,
maybe the glory of Athens still shines, however dimly. Those are the real questions of history: What’s
the point of being alive? How should we organize ourselves, what should we seek from this life?
Those aren’t easy questions, but we’ll take another crack at them next week when
we talk about the Buddha. I’ll see you then. Crash Course is produced and directed by Stan
Muller, our script supervisor is Danica Johnson, the graphics team is Thought Bubble, and the
show is written by my high school history teacher Raoul Meyer and me. Our phrase of the week last week was “Un mot
de français”. If you’d like to guess this week’s phrase of the week you can do so
in comments. You can also ask questions about today’s video in comments where our team
of historians will attempt to answer them. Thanks for watching, and Don’t Forget To Be
Awesome.

Comments 100

  • Me, most of the time: I love it when John raises thorny questions about the history of Western civilization and criticizes our inherent biases towards the predominant historical narrative!
    Me, as a classics major listening to the end: GODDAMN PERSIA JOHN YOU CAN PRY MY LOVE FOR ANCIENT GREECE FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
    But seriously, good episode : )

  • who are the greeks and the persians… im so lost.. plz help ap exam next week and fell asleep through all my classes

  • gonna fail the AP test yeet

  • Good luck on the AP World exam!

  • Hold on a second, you telling me Persians wasn't the monsters like in the 300 movie !

  • Ok clearly the fact that the Persian empire never had slaves is completely bull shut given the fact that they sacked and burned down and inslaved every Greek city state. Now Persians never enslaved Persians, but that’s not to say that they didn’t have slaves of the foreigners

  • And that Melos fact that you brought up. You were right but you said half of the story, the Athenians ordered an Assault of the people of Melos. But they had another election to dismantle that attack due to they’re harsh punishment. So voting to stop an act seems pretty democratic to me.

  • Yes the Persian we’re not monsters, but. I think wiping out an entire race which was what they’re goal was is a form of Genocide. So yes of course 300 had a lot of inaccuracies, that not to say that the Persians were automatically the good guys.

  • Trivia:

    The Persians wore trousers. The Greeks wore skirts.

  • Argh! damn you're rhetoric Persian sympathiser.

  • This channel would be a lot more interesting and useful if this guy's incessant and stupid "shtick" didn't constantly distract you from the content he's trying to explain.

    Dorky academic "witicism," a tiny bit of content, "Hey! Let's go to the thought bubble." Distraction… another dorky academic witicism, "Oh?!? Is it time for the Open Letter?"

    JUST TALK ABOUT HISTORY DOUCHE BAG.

  • Reminds me of bill nye. He makes it a bit more interesting thank u sir👏💯

  • it's ap season again

  • One can never have too many globes

  • we finna get a 1 on the ap world test

  • I totally forgot about Persia now I'm doing an all nighter looking at all the crash courses

  • Anyone else cramming for the test tomorrow??

  • I’m nervous about this exam, I’ve had to mow the lawn, go to a wake do a bunch of homework and the exam is in literally 14 hours, good luck for anyone else taking the ap world exam

  • Got my AP world exam TMR time to watch all 42 videos

  • am I the only one cramming for a middle school history quiz??? LOL

    hope u guys survive the AP exam :]

  • Uhhh that map of Greece at 5:13… The thing about Athens…is that isn't Athens…

  • Nobody:

    Not a single soul:

    Not even their mothers:

    The comments: Yooo who cramming for the AP??? Let’s get this! 🔥🔥💯💯💯

  • I have the AP World test tomorrow but i cant watch all 42 cause then ill be up all night uuuggghhh

  • Gawd you're hyper — do you ever calm down? Is this how you get millie and hipster audiences? Cannot watch this.

  • Morning of the AP exam. Good luck everyone!

  • I know I am EXCEEDINGLY late, coming back to this series since it was first released years ago; but it sucks to me that we talk about equality and treatment if people's in Athens and Persia, but don't mention the most gender egalitarian of the peoples in quite possibly the entire world at the time: The Spartans.
    While they had a duarchy (a two-king system) and did keep an entire underclass of people, the Helots, amongst Spartan citizens, women were treated incredibly equally. Both boys and girls got an education, with women even being expected to be just as physically active as their male counterparts, women could own property (a very big deal in nearly any era of history), when men died their widows, not their sons, inherited their belongings, and when a Spartan woman died her inheritance was split equally among her children – regardless of gender. The other ancient greeks of the time note that Spartan women wielded remarkable wealth and, thusly, power and political influence. Women were even allowed to go out and drive chariots on their own – women in some parts of the world TODAY, up until very recently, still weren't able to drive. When Pyrrus attempted to invade Sparta, Spartan women were the ones who dug the trenches, built the defences, and gathered the equipment so men could fight in the morning fully rested, and they really clearly knew what they were doing militarily, a shocking idea to the world at the time.
    While women couldn't serve in the military or (openly) hold power, this was the society that buried women who died in childbirth with warrior's writes; who when an Athenian asked a Spartan Queen what Spartan women knew that Athenian women didn't, she responded "how to be free". If you were an able-bodied citizen, Sparta was one of the best places to be as a woman for millennia before… And arguably millennia after.

    But then, this is also the society that killed any children born with disabilities. But it does show that in history, nobody is ever just good or evil. Just wish this video had given the Spartans more than a single line about the Helots and Kings when a good amount of the video is discussing how we'd morally judge a society today and the treatment of women in Athens is touched on; especially with how the popular perception of Sparta is that of manly men doing manly things.

  • This guy wrote "The Fault In Our Stars"
    ….think about it…

  • We didn’t take care of slavery. More people are enslaved today than ever before. Mostly sex slaves.

  • Narrator and his liberal false narrative.

  • love how nearly all these newer comments are about the AP World History exam, any one from Missouri? (I dont want to say a school or area due to privacy reasons).

  • A lot more stable empires than democracies? This lefty is obviously a hillary supporter. Dictatorial empires are about as stable as an atom bomb. And democracies, well, that one is self evident

  • Can we get 10 globes on the latest crash course. I think it’s Europe but I don’t know. Why am I even commenting here? Also the Spartans at Thermopylae had about 6,700 friends or about that from other city states.

  • Anyone wanna play iMessage games while we study

  • Always giving the post-colonial interpretation of things. Predictable.

  • I don't have an exam I just enjoy history

  • Where are my persians at?

  • I want to move to Athens, Greece. Gotta know some history lol.

  • who is watching this cause they have to not cause they want to.

  • Watching this for a pre-history project

  • I have such an obsession with the Persian empire and I began studying Farsi 😂🤙🏻

  • Parry and voldamort

  • Im 12 i like this

  • Just here cause I love learning about history, and not some stupid test. 🙃

  • Open letter.
    3:31

  • John Green is a communist.

  • The school of Athens is my 6th grade history teachers favorite painting he had this big poster of it and also one time he took a photo of our class and photoshopped us in!

  • I'm a Zoroastrian, were few but proud. However one small correction on the crash course, the Persian King Darius I was not Cyrus, the Great's son, he actually overthrew Cyrus's son, Bardiya.

    Also, I got into a debate with my Iranian friend on whether I am considered Persian anymore. I am an Indian American but my entire family is Zoroastrian and when I lived in Mumbai we are called Parsi, which literally translates to Persian. While my ancestors fled to India after the Arab invasion in Persia due to persecution of faith and freedom, I still believe that since my family has such deep roots in Persia dating back from the Achaemenids dynasty I can call myself Indian American but also Persian or ancient Persian. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

  • THIS GUY IS A PROOF OF FALSE HISTORY. BAN HIM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY BELIEVING THIS JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON YOUTUBE

  • Tjis is your typical white guy who does all the African American bidding for them…Whats not talked about is the Greek did not name themself Greek that was later name given to them by the Romans. The Greek were a large group of White Men that surrounded all sides of the Mediterranean Sea including Sumeria,Babylon,Egypt etc. They broke off in many different groups with a slight mix of Turkish mix with Momgolians "hince your first Asians"

  • Believe me your first life it was too Whimsical.

  • It's not so simple as to say that the Greeks killed Socrates. If you read Plato, it's clear that Socrates antagonized the Athenians to convict him and sentence him to death. The entire course of events and motives are clearly explained in Robin Waterfield's "Why Socrates Died."

  • "Zoroastrianism forbids slavery". Do you have anything to back this up? I've been searching online and have found nothing. Slavery was very rare under the Persian empire. But nothing in the Zoroastrian religion specifically forbids slavery. At least I could find no evidence of it. Can you help me out? Thanks

  • Sparta didn’t actually have an absolute monarchy. It had two kings held in check by a semi-aristocratic democracy

  • You know god and satan or harry and voldemort, apples and oranges 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • The greeks where then as chaotic and inventious as they are today. They gave the world great ideas and inventions and where at the same time unable to use them for themselves. The only empire they had was the byzantinean, which they heredited from the romans.

  • Please it's Μυσική not mpsuke

  • My name is John and I'm greek

  • Pretty anti Western.

  • this is fake.there are lots of things from persian empire in EuropeanBritish museums which says the persian empire was peacefull.

  • i love the "if u believe herodotus" parts in every sentence for the persians
    and the facts that herodotuses bias in history is not at all obvious??!!!!
    "300 brave spartans defeated 5million persians "

  • Dude you are awesome

  • You talk a lot but say little!!

  • Alexander the Great didn't conquer all of the Greek polises. He was stoped at Corinth by a coalition of warriors from all over peloponnese.

  • Why are the Greeks always naked because its weird to see

  • The Persian Empire is coming soon

  • He always speaks about the mongol 😮 r they so important!!!!!!!

  • Why Japanese subtitle is not available 😭

  • There is still slavery. Don’t fool yourself.

  • I suspect this is being a little too cozy about the happy benefits of the Persian Empire, but an interesting watch.

  • Sorry but to have a king over you is to make u a servant or another name a slave. A happy slave is still a slave

  • Cyrus was likely a polytheist. Life under the Persians was pretty good as long as you paid the required tribute, otherwise they would promptly invade and sack your city and install a loyal puppet ruler. The reason the Persian empire was stable is because every slight was brutally quashed as to make an example for future uprisers to consider. Despite knowing they likely had 0% chance of survival there were still continuous rebellions against the Persian empire, a testament to how good life must have been under the Persian hegemony. Also, the Spartans were one of the first ancient societies to formally provide education and executive functions to females.

  • 5:13 Athens isnt there…

  • What the hell is up with the way he says “good” at 9:35?

  • Nobody:

    John Green: Western society was a mistake.

    Lol okay pal

  • 🇬🇷 Hellas with all its imperfections was about the human spirit and individual accomplishments..Persia, aka IRAN is today what it has always been about, crushing the human spirit under the rule of one man.

  • Kurds greeks and persians are the most old
    Respect for their history from france

  • Darius is not Cyrus' son by the way, nor did he extend Persia over Egypt (it was Cyrus' actual son Cambyses II)

  • For all of your Philosophical Questions at the end of your video, say a huge Thanks to Greeks!

  • Open letter, 3:20 to 505.
    I love Drew Ulmer.
    ( John Green is a communist )

  • In the map of Greece, Athens is nowhere near where it actually is.

  • a legenda em Português está incorreta, se trata de ARISTÓFANES e não Aristóteles (na Open Letter)

  • Such a bad gloss over.

  • This was good 5 years ago. What happened?

  • There are never enough globes

  • There may have been more stable empires than democracy’s. But there have been far more oppressive empires than democracy’s.

  • Djeezus this democracy idolatry is so cringe and skewed. Monarchy > democracy. But nope let's keep brainwashing.

  • Darius the first is not the son of Cyrus the Great. Cmabis is the son of Cyrus the great and he took Egypt but he was killed and so was his brother and the empire fell into chaos so Persian nobles elected one of their own, Darius, as the new king and he fought for 3 years to put down the rebellions and succeeded.

  • The idea that Persians would have killed whatever democracy Greece had doesn't match the history because Persians were known to let defeated nations keep their traditions and just pay a reasonable tax. So it was very likely that they would have left these city-states the way they were.

  • this video is 7 years old but i have to say it: darius isnt cyru's son.

  • john really hates democracies.

  • 5:13
    Why is Athens south of Sparta?

  • Welcome to another episode, of conspiracy theories :
    Proof that Miley Cyrus is persian:
    1:29

  • Finally NO 300 footage
    By Azura(Mazda), this is what I needed.

  • 2:54, I am greek, and this is not how you wight "music" in Greek. That would sound like "mopssfkee", seriously. You wright it as such : "μουσικη"

  • I love the ongoing Mongols joke

  • Wow that joke is really old but i still laughed at it. That man is a genius

  • just got to the 5th episode, my favourite so far

  • Darius was NOT the son of Cyrus.

  • What happened with your hairs

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