The History of Political Comics, #AbolishICE, and an Interview with J Andrew World


all art is political but some art is
more political than others in this video I’m going to be talking about the
history of political comics and graphic novels then I’m gonna analyze what makes
the comic medium so good at sending a message after that I’m gonna go to over
ice and the various evils associated with that agency finally this video is
going to introduce you to artist J Andrew World, who is currently putting
together a graphic novel about abolishing ICE and how you can help with
fundraising to attempt to give you the entire history of political comics would
be an immense task I’m instead going to give you an overview looking at some
specific cases that interest me if you want a more thorough history I highly
recommend the books transnational perspectives on graphic novels and comic
art propaganda: a graphic history so how to start a topic as big as this? Superman.
general rule if you want to put together any sort of history about Western comics
when in doubt just start with Superman in the September 1939 edition of Look
magazine Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were asked to create a
two-page story on how Superman would end the then burgeoning World War Two. it
turns out that Superman (then referred to as the savior of the helpless and
oppressed) would simply race into Germany grab Hitler, rush over to Russia,
grab Stalin, then bring both of them before the League of Nations to end the
war. it’s not an incredible narrative or anything, but there had been less than 20
Superman comics up until this point so it’s kind of an incredible artifact. this
strip is also notable for containing a strong anti-war message at a time while
entering the war was still extremely unpopular in America. An even more
famous example of a Golden Age superhero fighting Nazis is who else?
Captain America. created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in 1941, again before America
entered the war, caps debut famously showed the star spangled warrior
punching Hitler on the front cover. the creators of cap and Superman are all of
Jewish heritage and opposed the Nazis wholeheartedly.
they use the then burgeoning genre of superhero comics to push these messages
on to an audience who might never have considered the war until the attack on
Pearl Harbor while the politics of superheroes is
fascinating and there’s a long long (sometimes shameful) history of it the
rest of this video is mainly going to focus on independent creator-owned
comics where the politics of the creators are less likely to be diffused
by corporate interests. first we’re gonna look at biographical and
autobiographical works. first up is Martin Luther King and the Montgomery
story. this was a 16 page comic published by an anti-war Council in 1957. the
writer, Alfred Hassler, sent the manuscript to
MLK himself who approved and called it an excellent piece of work. the comic is
a retelling of the Montgomery bus strike and a general call to non-violence. more
than a quarter of a million copies were printed initially and since it’s been
reprinted in multiple languages. this work has been mentioned as something
that inspired the Greensboro sit-ins in 1960 civil rights icon
John Lewis, who we’ll get to shortly, and even elements of the Arab Spring.
it’s a popular and enduring piece of pro-peace anti violence literature. now
we’ll skip ahead to 1980 when one of the greatest pieces of English literature
began to be serialized. Art Spiegelman’s Maus which has since been collected in
two volumes. Maus retells the story of Spiegelman’s father surviving as a
Jewish man in 1930s Poland and eventually his time in the Auschwitz
concentration camp. it’s also the story of how Spiegelman himself is able to get
this story from his father, the effects that such a massive trauma can have on a
person, and the relationship between father and son. the widely lauded
metaphor of males was Spiegelman representing different nationalities or
ethnic groups as different anthropomorphic animals. Jewish
characters are presented as mice who were pray for the Aryan cats. last year I
went to the Munich documentation Center for the history of National Socialism, a
museum that documents the rise of the Third Reich and how it came about. at the
end of the museum they have a small bookstore full of dense works of history
memoir and fiction and alongside all of these works of
prose was Maus. it’s impossible to understate the reach and effect of this
work and the impact it can have on readers. other powerful works of graphic
memoirs have taken place throughout the years such as Alison Bechdel’s fun home,
Marjane Satrapi’s persepolis, and almost the entire body of work of Harvey Pekar.
but the last thing I want to mention relates back to the first. in 2013
Congressman John Lewis published the first volume of March, his own graphic
memoir describing his life from childhood through the civil rights
struggle to eventually getting elected to Congress. during the book tour, Lewis
specifically cited how important the MLK comic was on his philosophy and how he
wanted to write a comic memoir so that other people could have the same
experience. March is a wonderful modern work which I hope can have a similar
effect on people to the MLK story. from what is probably the most earnest genre
of the political graphic novel we then go to the least. that is: works of
straight up propaganda. here we will define propaganda as “works of art that
aim to influence an audience by selectively presenting facts or using
loaded language to provoke an intended response.” there is a long long history of
comics as propaganda. is this tomorrow America under communism is a 1947 comic
which attempts to, quote, ‘make you more alert to the Menace of communism.’
obviously this is a pretty garbage comic but it is again a fascinating relic of
its time and specifically of the Red Scare. if you want to understand more
about the society that produced Joe McCarthy I recommend checking this out.
as it’s out of copyright it’s currently free online. next up: Chick tracts. created
by artist and born-again fundamentalist Jack Chick, Chick tracts are these tiny
little booklets of far-right Christian preaching. Chick tracts are massively
homophobic and sexist but they also have a bizarre history of being anti-catholic
as well as hating Dungeons and Dragons and Harry Potter. these comics are widely
distributed by different church groups as an
effective tools of propaganda. the company claims they’ve published 800
million of these tracts over the years, which, you know, sounds like a lie. but
even if the number is only 1% of that Jack Chick is still one of the most
widely read independent comic creators in history, which sucks because this
dude’s theology is garbage. he genuinely believed that witches exist and are
manipulating people through pop culture. for example, check out the incredible
issue: dark dungeons which you can find online. it’s all about how Dungeons &
Dragons leads to Satanism. you know, basically the plot of Riverdale season 3.
but lest you believe that comic propaganda is all bad, let’s talk about
the adventures of tintin: breaking free. this is the work of an artist who uses
the iconic imagery of Tintin and the captain (who for some reason is referred
to as Tintin’s uncle in this book) and uses it to describe class struggle in
Britain, creating a pro-worker, pro- squatting, pro-gay rights,
anti-corruption, anti-rich, anti-cop, anti-gentrification, pro-shoplifting,
anti-fascist graphic novel. it’s a hell of a thing.
Tintin:breaking free is an incredible artifact of workers rights under
Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. now it is a highly polemic piece of work, which
like all propaganda, focuses more on arguing its points than telling a good
story. but for the love of God, you get to see Tintin punch a Nazi and
then later on get schooled by his lesbian friend about why his anti-women’s lib attitude sucks. I am so happy it exists. next up let’s take a look at
how comics and graphic novels have represented LGBTQ rights over the years.
Alison Bechdel – yes the woman who named and conceived the Bechdel test – published
the comic strip [uncomfortable murmuring] to watch out for. I don’t feel like – I don’t wanna – doesn’t feel like I should say that. the strip
was famous for its portrayal of many gay and lesbian characters, in what Bechdel
herself described as ‘half op-ed column and half endless serialized Victorian
novel.’ the long-running nature of this strip shows the evolution of Bechdel’s
art storytelling and opinions from the Reagan era all the way through to the
end of George W. it was a pioneering work of representation and also contains some
excellent examples of comic-book storytelling. Bechdel officially ended
the strip in 2008 to focus on other works after the massive success of her
coming-of-age memoir fun home, another of the greatest graphic novels of all time. artists against rampant government
homophobia or ‘AARGH!’ was a 1988 anthology put together by alan moore to oppose a
specific amendment which outlawed the promotion of homosexuality by government
bodies in britain. this law went as far as banning public
schools from even mentioning gay parents. it ended up passing and was sadly in
effect until 2003. AARGH however is perhaps the single
most impressive lineup of talent ever put together in a single comic, featuring
the works of people who created these comics. though they failed in their
stated intentions of stopping the law from being passed, we now have this
excellent record of creators who were proud to stand up for gay rights in a
time before that was a widespread common feeling. more recently the organization
Prism comics are a nonprofit organization who promote LGBT themed and
made work. they often have booths at Comic Cons to help promote these works
and they have an online presence which does the same thing. they also award
grant money to creators and have recently started annual awards
recognizing everything from web comics to mainstream comics. if you’re on the
lookout for LGBT+ representation and comics I can’t recommend prism comics
highly enough. anyway those are just some political comics and graphic novels in
history and I didn’t even get to touch on any of these works since I want to
keep this video under an hour if possible. anyway why do political comics
like these matter? studies have shown them being a
beneficial tool for science education, medicine education, environmental education and
historical education among others. as a combination of both visual and textual
mediums comics are a unique way to get information across. in one sense the
absence of too many words can help people who don’t like or aren’t great
readings to get through a longer narrative. in the exact opposite sense
however comic art does so much of the heavy lifting and storytelling that
allows the dialogue and writing to be much more subtle in delivering their
message, often making for better politically charged material. similarly,
political allegories and metaphors are far more effective when visual than
written in my personal opinion. I think another strengths that comics have is
that the reader is in total control over how much time is spent on each panel or
page. in a TV show or movie it’s a combination of the director, editor, CGI
crew and others who will end up controlling how long an image or scene
stays on the screen. hanging on an image for too little or too long
changes the film. for instance remember that tweet that went viral about that
guy saying every film class should teach the shot in the game of Thrones finale
where the dragon came up behind Daenerys? people crucified that take because of
how gaudy and obvious that shot was. the camera lingered for so long while those
dragon wings were unfurling practically hitting you over the head with “do you
get it? she’s the dragon! she’s not unlike a dragon here!
she has dragon wings! wow!” if that shot were a little quicker it might not have
been such a wank. when it comes to comics there’s no force telling you how much
time to spend on each image. you’re in complete control and you’ll linger on an
image for as long as it interests or affects you.
if you’ve been paying attention to American politics at all recently you’ve
no doubt heard about ICE even if you don’t know them by name you know them as
the agency who’s deporting people in record numbers through various shady and
illegal activities, as well as being one of the organizations behind the
disastrous child separation policy. I’m going to be mostly quoting from the
excellently written and sourced piece ‘the making of an American Gestapo’ by Justin
Akers Chacon and Mike Davis. this video won’t be able to cover all of their
points, so I can’t recommend enough that you check out the piece for yourself.
again there’ll be a link in the description. the article contends what we
all know to be true: that ice has emerged as an overt instrument to repress
working-class immigrants. there are 11 million undocumented immigrants in the
United States and they make up 17% of the workforce, concentrated in low-wage
manual labor positions. the use of this labor has led to massive growth in the
US economy since the Reagan era – you know, for the rich people. to quote Chacon and Davis: ICE’s targeted raids, systematic detention and
institutionalized practice of selective and ongoing deportation are designed to
instill fear in the immigrant community in accordance with the right-wing
strategy of attrition through enforcement. the theory behind this
doctrine, articulated first by a white nationalist think-tank, is that
undocumented people will be encouraged to, quote, self-deport if their lives are
made sufficiently miserable through oppressive measures. in Obama’s first
year of office almost three hundred and ninety thousand people were deported,
sixty-five percent of them being non- criminal immigration violators. these are
people whose violations were stuff like overstaying their green card or not
checking in with ICE as much as they’re liking. while the Obama administration
later on instructed officers to deprioritize the non-serious offenders,
these guidelines were kicked out under Donald Trump. ICE now exists only to
deport as many suspected immigrants as possible. in fact immigrants can now be
deported for things that, to quote the article, “they could be charged for ie
things determined soul by the ice agent themselves.” so an agent
could detain any undocumented person they encounter, or person they suspect is
undocumented, claiming that they are someone who potentially crossed the
border without authorization. these guidelines make every undocumented
person in America deportable, regardless of their circumstances. to make things
worse, between 2003 and 2017 at least 172 detainees have died while an ICE custody.
you would be forgiven for thinking that this rash of deportation comes solely
from a white nationalist ethic but that’s simply not true. see, half of ICE’s
2018 budget, 3.6 billion dollars went into contracting private jails and
private prisons. the private prison industry is profiting massively by, you
guessed it, cutting costs at every level and providing atrocious living standards
for their detainees. more than just white supremacy, ICE has been allowed to
prosper because it’s fueling a multi-billion dollar sector of the
private prison industry. Chacon and Davis point out that the largest immigrant
detention contractor in the nation GEO, earned over 2.2 billion dollars of
revenue in 2017, raking in money both from government contracts and by
charging their detainees for health and educational services. this same company
donated four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars to both a Trump
supporting super PAC and to Trump’s inauguration festivities. another major
private prison contractor gave two hundred and fifty thousand. since
election day those companies stock prices have gone up by sixty three and
eighty one percent respectively. fun fact: in 2012 GEO hired David Ventuella, Obama’s head of deportation and detention operations in ICE. very cool
and very legal! Chacon and Davis end their article with this statement:
despite the sudden and inspiring growth of coals to abolish ice this agency
won’t be done away with very easily from both political parties as well as the
repressive of the US state. with all that in mind I
want to tell you about a project I support. J Andrew World, or Andy as he
goes by, is an illustrator, designer and visual activist. in the past his work has
been featured in rewire news, artists against police brutality, and the
resistance Center for peace and justice. he’s also published his own Occupy Wall
Street inspired webcomic titled right about now. Andy’s current work in
progress is a graphic novel simply titled abolish ICE. it’s an anthology
which will present several different stories ranging from satire to
nonfiction to fiction inspired by real events, all to do with the fascistic actions
of ICE and the Border Patrol in recent years. he’s going to be working with
several collaborators, who’ve been affected in different ways by ICE, in
order to better bring their stories to light. recently Andy launched an
IndieGoGo campaign aimed at getting him to El Paso Texas. in his own words, he
aims to meet with a variety of activists, migrants, and institutions including the
ice tent city concentration camp, the Holocaust and Border Patrol museums, and
meeting people so that he can learn how the city has changed in the past 20
years. I think that this project is an important story that could fit in with
the tradition of political graphic novels that I’ve laid out in this video.
Though Andy is a fair bit off completing his funding goal, IndieGoGo’s funding
system means that whatever he has pledged, he will receive. he’s also in the
process of ensuring that he’ll be able to get down there even if he doesn’t
complete the funding. right now we’re gonna go to an interview that I composed
with Andy last week. we’ve never spoken before, but our mutual obsession with
comics and politics meant we ended up chatting for about two and a half hours.
I have cut that down to a lean 10 to 15 minutes for you (ended up going 20, lol) so please listen to
J Andrew World in his own words about why this project is important and check out
the IndieGoGo campaign. consider donating or if you can’t afford it
perhaps sharing it with your friends and loved ones. again here’s my interview
with J Andrew World Alright, so I’m here with J Andrew World, who also personally goes by ‘Andy.’ Andy, it’s a pleasure to talk to you, mate.
Hey, it’s a pleasure to speak with you, too. Alright, so let’s get right into it. I’ve talked a little about your graphic novel already in this video, but can you just go ahead and give me the elevator pitch?
Alright, so you go in on the first floor, push a button… [laughter] no, we have those – we have those here
[laughter] Oh
okay. I think they’re called lifts over there? The plan of the book is to – you hear lots of harrowing stories, or audio of children being locked up in cages crying and it can be so alienating. And I’m trying to create a book that will help, you know, humanize the stories and also give people a way to actually communicate these ideas in a more lucid way than just abstract figures and numbers. Yeah, and I think that’s something that comics and graphic novels have a really strong power to do
that and I’m not 100% sure why. Well a lot of that with what comes in between the panels. If you ever read Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud –
-yeah, great book –
He talks about how what happens between panel 1 and panel 2
is all in your mind mm-hm And that’s actually partly what
makes comments so great.
One of the things I’m most interested in in your
book is that it’s gonna be an anthology, so it’s gonna be a lot of different
stories all in one work and and these are gonna be coming from things that are
based on true stories and then things that are just influenced by true events.
So I guess my question is, like, you know – and I hate this question – I do, but what’s
what is your creative process? In terms of, when you see one of these stories do
you automatically have an insight whether ‘oh this is gonna be something I
want to tell the exact story of’ or do you just go ‘oh this is something that I
want to interweave into a, you know, a fictional narrative?’
well it really
depends on the story actually. It’s like for example one of the stories I hope to
tell is that of Abdullah who was a Iraqi immigrant who fled when Saddam
Hussein took over and overstayed his visa and he has this compelling story
about meeting a woman in Central Park who was horseback riding and they fell
hopelessly in love and their families broke them up but then she finds out
she’s pregnant with his child and she raises this child with this other person
who never knew who his real dad was and then years later and tracks down his son
on Facebook and they reunite and rekindle their love and then ICE arrest
him for no reason. And he’s got like these kidney problems and he’s on
his deathbed and he marries his the love of his life while in jail well. But
he’s actually released now and I have not seen any stories but he should have just had his final case and he should be, you know, clear now if everything went
according to plan. But I’ve not seen the verdict, because I got really sick right
around that time. I gotta follow up on that that. That sounds like the
kind of story that you couldn’t – you couldn’t even embellish on, huh? Like,
what are you gonna add to that?
There is so much to that and I, you know, here’s you know
actual like stories about a person you know that’s what you want to do is try
to tell and get as close to that as possible. And when you hear things like
um people are crossing the border you know, who live their lives as American
citizens and because they were born by mid wive – they weren’t born in a
hospital – they they were like born in their house, the Border Patrol’s like
tearing up passports and saying ‘no, you’re not an American citizen.’ I mean
‘like, you can go to Mexico.’
Wow, that’s astonishing So, a source like that I
have to create my own kind of story to tell something. But – ah – so one of the main
reasons that I really want to do this video with you is because you’ve
currently got this IndieGoGo campaign sort of around the project of this
graphic novel and so I was wondering if you could
tell me what’s the reason for the IndieGoGo campaign specifically? Well the
big thing is is I was I was actually born in El Paso and I’ve gone back – I did
grow up in Texas a bit but not you know not on the border – and so so El Paso, the city that actually kind of means something to me.
Yeah, the whole idea is to actually go there and kind of, you know, bookend my
life in a certain way. You know as George Lucas would say, “it rhymes.”
What’s interesting about El Paso is that’s a town with such a rich history of, you know, not even just being
on the border, but like that’s originally Mexico right? Like I mean Texas as a
whole…
Yeah well – Texas has a really fascinating history. We
have an amusement park that I think it’s worldwide now, but I know it’s all
over the states, called Six Flags and Six Flags actually stands for this Six Flags
Over Texas which is Mexixo, Spain, France, the Texas flag – because it was a country too, the Confederacy and the United States Wow
and you can tell I paid attention in my Texas history classes
Or you paid attention at Six Flags [laughter] I bet too – absolutely
It just shows the randomness and luck of if you were born in that town at a
different time you could have been Mexican or you could have been French or
a Texan nationalist but you know through this just cosmic luck you’re born an
American and and the difference between that and being born in a South American
country and then trying to find your way to America it’s it’s really incredible
to think about I think.
Another thing I’m really excited about in your project is
it’s not just a book full of stories about how horrible ICE is – and it is – but
but more than that – more than that you’re actually trying to go into some ideas
that people have had on how to actually abolish ICE, how to get rid
of this horrible modern-day Gestapo. Well I’m gonna be totally honest with you and
uh you know same thing in the book, um I kind of going to be heavy on Mijente’s ‘Free Our Future‘ plan where they have a like a fourteen step plan if remember
correctly to end what’s been going on with the border. Uh you know first thing is
abolish ICE itself because like I said it is a duplicate law enforcement service.
– Yeah, it does not need to exist. This one is already done but, basically remove Jeff Sessions as attorney general. Oh yeah. So you don’t worry about that one. Repeal
laws are criminalizing immigration – migration, which like I said that was a
lot of those were passed during the Bush and Obama years. The Clinton, Bush and Obama years. So you know, they created this this problem. yeah
“End all forms of immigration detention” but my favorite thing is:
Defund Border Patrol and fund a border rescue”
Oh okay, yeah! yeah which is which
is yeah and I mean the thing is this is what’s often missed in conversations is
is a process of asking for asylum. Now just because somebody asks for
asylum, doesn’t mean they’re gonna be granted it but you know
there’s a process for it and the first process is get into the United States and
it doesn’t say anywhere in the law how they can deal with that, but they have to
be on US soil to ask for asylum. And typically when people are out in the desert, as soon as they see somebody they’ll say ‘asylum, asylum, asylum!’ and then you know they’ll be rounded up and treated like prisoners of war. Especially now that we have a vigilante force roaming out there with guns pointing at the heads of
these people. So another thing I’d really love to ask about is, was there a moment
when you decided to do this project? like like was there a snapping point or was
it just an acumulative thing, where things just piled up?
When I heard the tapes of children crying I was just like ‘no, I gotta do something, this isn’t right’
Yeah Because, you know, growing up I read lots of, uhh, you know all the
comic craters were all jewish creators so so the Holocaust and World War Two was are in the DNA a lot of comic books so you know I was sitting there going I
gotta do something like what would Jack Kirby do? Punch a Nazi! [laughter] yep! Something else that I think is really cool about the proposal you’ve got is
although you’re gonna be the artist on each of these works you’re thinking
about or hoping to work with some other writers as well. Can you – how much how
much of that can you talk about? There’s a lot I can’t talk about. The big thing is
right now there’s no contracts signed. nothing definite, so anything I
say now, you know, any name I drop might not actually appear in the end product. But I’m pretty sure David Slavick, who is a producer with the Michael Brooks
show is uh he’s he’s helping kind of edit the project, he’s also going to write
one of the stories about one of his students which – funny thing we started
talking and we’re talking about the same dude and literally like like I was
trying to find a writer for this work, I didn’t know this guy. He was a dreamer who
was a big activist – and one of the things ICE does is target activists, especially
dreamers. And he left his wallet in his apartment.
Grabbed taxi cab and couldn’t pay like less than ten dollars it was for the
taxi ride and because of that was arrested, convicted and sent to Mexico.
Wow, for a $10 taxi ride? Yep Incredible Which is really small world. Tiny
Another person I’m talking to is Jake Flores of Pod Damn America Yeah, I follow him on Twitter, he’s really
funny oh he’s great. So I go ‘hey wanna write
story for this, you know, about what happened to you?
He’s like ‘sure man, but I’ve never written a comic before!’
‘Well, like don’t worry about it, it’s really easy. You’re a comedian. Comedians think in beats. Comics are beats. Yeah, a hundred percent. You know you go
from panel to panel, page to page, that’s your beats. He goes ‘oh I can do this!’ Because what happen with him was-was he got in trouble with ICE from a tweet? Yeah, he told a joke, yeah Something like on Cinco de Mayo he said if you kill one ICE agent, they’ll let white people wear a sombrero. If you kill two, they’ll let you were the sombrero and the poncho. [laughter] Yeah, that’s a good joke! So the next day,
like he hasn’t even like woken up yet yeah they’re knocking on his door and
you know they kind of they kind of came in he’s a little hungover because it was
you know, it was the day after Cinco de Mayo So another another question I
definitely want to get to was, so when it comes to graphic novels and comics and
specifically in this genre, who would you say your biggest influences? I mean I grew up reading X-men which was obviously a civil rights allegory. So you know you can’t
can’t miss that. . I mean Chris Claremont as a writer was fantastic. . I was reading the Silvestri-Jim Lee era, which was his best. Someone we’ve talked about a bit before is
the comics of Joe Sacco
Yes! The thing is, just like I never knew that there was a
concept like Journalism Comics untill Joe Sacco. I found him much much much much later and I was sitting there thinking “man, I could have I should have done this instead of getting a job after college” you know, taken an
opportunity to travel and go someplace and write a comic about that. Sacco really finds the humanity of a situation then allows you to kind of sit there with
yourself and understand it in ways that you couldn’t just by watching the news or reading a book by a
scholarly expert on the area So about the IndieGoGo campaign, If people are looking to
support it, there are a couple of different rewards.
Oh yeah! I don’t know if you know them off the top of your head or anything? So what I want to
do is kind of almost like preserve in a way of where I’m at with things, but also do like a tour diary in comic form. Which should actually be a kind of an interesting challenge for me, to
actually bang something out every night. It’s gonna be raw, it’s gonna be personal and
whatnot, I’m probably gonna hand letter it on my iPad as opposed to – uh – so there’s gonna be
spelling mistakes, you know it’s it’s going to have that personal
touch to it. Basically what you’re saying is for, you know, a $2 donation you get a
digital copy of that comic, of this super personal work that it’s gonna
in some ways it always feels like it’s gonna help set the stage for the final
piece, like I think it’s gonna be a really interesting journey to follow it
from you know this this work-in-progress diary to what will then hopefully be this you
know big anthology with this meta-narrative and all this really
interesting stuff. Yeah and like 200 pages – – Yeah And you know having like an ashcan –
like almost like a but which it kind of excites me because like like it’s also
kind of a zine, too. A smaller version but but also has a bit of that rawness , cos there’s going to be something a little punk rock about this. Yeah absolutely
and so the ashcan copyis for a $5 donation and you go to just the general
floppy for ten for ten dollars Yeah it’s going to be the comic book
size, right size it’s gonna – I might I might put in a maybe like a prose piece
like explaining stuff. [I ACCIDENTALLY LEFT THIS AUDIO PART IN PLEASE IGNORE] A couple other rewards you’ve got you’ve offered, you
got the virtual quick draw which is so is that is that that’s the thing
you you usually stream on your YouTube channel, right? Yeah every morning I will
you know I try not to do it all weekends And so the idea of this book is that you
know you’re saying hey I’ll draw you and or whatever you want okay so it could be
it could be a present or anything yeah I mean if you’re like draw me Davos Seaworth from Game
of Thrones I’d be like hell yeah! I could do that! “Draw Theresa May” [Laughter] do not – do not I willl
pay you $30 to not draw Theresa May [Laughter] all right I’m drawing Theresa May tomorrow! But if people wanna see examples of the stuff you’ve done you can check out Andy’s work on on Twitter
which is that at @rightaboutnow2 – it’s under J Andrew World And if we keep if we keep going down the different perks it’s also got a poster of
one the proposed covers That would be very cool to have. I don’t even know if that’s going to be the final cover. I think people really respond to that one It’s of a militarized police uniform – guy, just kind of sitting there with ‘#AbolishICE across and Yeah so the rest of the parks,
there’s one it’s the same as the quick-draw but this is to get the physical – – Yeah, I’ll actually do a print of it, because I’m actually doing it on my iPad, which is incredible because all the work that you actually see it’s done on the iPad. Yeah and then you’ve also got some t-shirt designs lower down and if
anyone’s really generous they can also go ahead and get ‘the whole shebang’
well yeah which is everything you know I just I would encourage that you know
anyone who’s watching this and who’s seen this if you can ship in a couple of
bucks get this digital comic, I couldn’t recommend it more. If you don’t have the money
– which we’ve all been there – you know try sharing it with a couple of friends and
see if if they can help because like I said I think this is a really important
really good project. We can all help in our own small ways and this is
one of them, you know. So what where is the best place I’ve already plugged your
Twitter but if you ever say that again where’s the best place for people to
find you’ll work and you know just see where it is that you’re doing? Well right now really I’m working with David Slavick to build a web page – he’s really
good at that stuff, I’m not. I know how to make stuff look pretty but I don’t know how to put it on the web, yeah so really my Twitter it’s the best place. I am
terrible at remembering to post stuff and You can be found on YouTube under “J
Andrew World” For anyone who’s interested this for the
artistic side that’s where to go check Yeah, and I actually do mostly talk about art, you know I’d love if someone popped into the chat and got me talking about politics. Ah yeah! I think we can – we can – we can end it there! Uh, thank you so much for agreeing to come on, this was an absolute
pleasure It’s been a treat too, here. I just I look forward to seeing where this
all goes Absolutely yeah same here I’m looking forward to hearing what you
keep in here [the maniacal laughter of someone with 2+ hours of audio to cut] Yeah. because I don’t know if *both* George Lucas jokes are going to be in there [Laughter] You either have both – or none.
[I ended up just keeping one, lol]

Comments 7

  • Excellent work, as always! You've given me a whole bunch of comics to find. I'll be sure to check out J Andrew World, his project sounds fantastic.

  • Wonderful video! I had no idea that Tintin punched a nazi, my childhood is now MADE

  • This was great! I confess, I don't actually read comic books but I've always been fascinated by the fandom, art, cultural mélange they spring from. This video could well convert me! I really want to get my hands and eyes onto some of the historical pieces you mentioned, and I can't wait to see J Andrew World's project come to fruition. Art as activism. Yes, please!

  • Great work, Michael! 😀 I subbed. Let me know if I can help with any of your projects. 7:00 Well… yeah, although there are a lot of neopagans who describe themselves as witches and who "cast spells" (and you can think whatever you want about the efficacy of that, I can't fathom it being much different than prayer tbh). It's just that people who call themselves witches are nothing at all like what's presented in Chick's Dark Dungeons tract. (Yes, I've read it.) I've had a bunch of witch friends over the years and they mostly have the same goals as Christians except that they don't tend to demonize other religions or lgbt people.

  • Awesome work Hardcore Lime! Promoting great cause and person!

  • My personal favourite political cartoon is First Dog on the Moon- I love the satirical and somewhat silly tone. Tony Abbott with a bucket on his head? Yes, please! Malcolm Turnbull a la Dame Edna Everidge? Absolutely!

    It’s unapologetically left, if not leftist. But it is funny. I appreciate the absolute no offshore detention stance, the pro doing something about climate change stance, and the pointing out of the worst of capitalism and its corruption.

    They publish themselves, and also appear on the Guardian Australia website.

  • Loved this! Keep up the good work!! 💖

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