Terrorism, War, and Bush 43: Crash Course US History #46

Hi, I’m John Green, this is CrashCourse
U.S. history and today we’ve done it! WE’VE FINALLY REACHED THE 21st CENTURY!
Today, we boldly go where no history course has gone before, because your teacher ran
out of time and never made it to the present. Also, if you’re preparing for the AP test
it’s unlikely that today’s video will be helpful to you because, you know, they
never get to this stuff. Mr. Green, Mr. Green? Awesome, free period.
Yeah, Me From the Past, there’s no such thing as a free period. There’s only time,
and how you choose to use it. Also, Me From the Past, we’re in your future,
hold on I’ve got to take this stuff off it’s hard to take me seriously with that.
We’re in the future for you which means that you are learning important things about
the you who does not yet exist. You know about Lady GaGa, Kanye and Kim, Bieber,
well you’re not going to find out about any of those things because this is a history
class, but it’s still going to be interesting. INTRO
So the presidency of George W. Bush may not end up on your AP exam, but it’s very important
when it comes to understanding the United States that we live in today
The controversy starts with the 2000 Election. Democratic presidential candidate Al “I
invented the Internet” Gore was sitting Vice President, and he asked Bill Clinton
not to campaign much because a lot of voters kind of hated Bill Clinton.
The republican candidate was George W. Bush, governor of Texas and unlike his father a
reasonably authentic Texan. You know, as people from Connecticut go.
Bush was a former oil guy and baseball team owner and he was running as a Compassionate
Conservative, which meant he was organizing a coalition of religious people and fiscal
conservatives. And that turned out to be a very effective
coalition and George W Bush got a lot of votes. He did not however get as many votes as Al
Gore. But as you’ll no doubt remember from earlier
in Crash Course US History, in the United States presidential elections are not decided
by popular vote. They are decided by the Electoral College.
So the election was incredibly close. It solidified the Red-Blue divide that has become a trope
for politicians since. And in the end Gore won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes.
However, Al Gore did not have the necessary electoral votes to become president. Unless
he won Florida. Did he win Florida? I don’t even want to go there…
In Florida the vote was ridiculously close, but George W Bush had a gigantic advantage
which is that his brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida.
So when it came time to certify the election Jeb was like, “Yeah. My brother won. No
big deal.” But then the Gore campaign sued to have a recount by hand which is allowed
under Florida law. But then Bush’s lawyers asked the Supreme
Court to intervene and they did. Their decision in Bush v. Gore remains rather controversial.
They ruled that the recount should be stopped, interfering with a state law and also a state’s
electoral process, which is a weird decision for strict constructionists to make.
However, one of the strong points of the United States these past couple centuries has been
that sometimes we have the opportunity to go to war over whether this person or that
person should be president and we chose not to.
So regardless of whether you think the recount should have gone on, or George W Bush should
have been elected, he was, and he set to work implementing his campaign promises, including
working on a missile defence system that was very similar to Star Wars.
And that was Ronald Reagan’s Star Wars, not George Lucas’ Star Wars. Man if we could
get a federally funded new Star Wars trilogy that doesn’t suck that would be awesome.
Anyway, in the first 100 days of his presidency Bush also barred federal funding for stem
cell research, and he supported oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
And speaking of environmental policy, the Bush administration announced that it would
not abide by the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on carbon emissions and that didn’t go over well with
environmentalists in the U.S. or in all of these green parts of not-America because they
were like, “You guys made all the carbon.” To which we said, “This is America.”
Libertage Bush also attempted education reform with
the No Child Left Behind Act, which mandated that states implement “rigorous” standards
and testing regimes to prove that those standards were being met.
The No Child Left Behind Act is especially controversial with teachers who are great
friends of Crash Course US History so we will say nothing more.
Most importantly, George W Bush pushed through the largest tax cut in American history in
2001. Claiming that putting more money in Americans’ pockets would stimulate growth
in an economy that had stumbled after the bursting of the dot-com bubble in 2000.
Oh, it’s time for the Mystery Document? The rules here are simple.
I guess the author of the Mystery Document, I either get it right, or I get shocked with
the shock pen. Alright, what have we got here today. I’ve got a feeling it’s going to
be a sad one. “It was a beautiful fall day, with a crisp,
blue sky. I was coming in to work late that day; I guess I didn’t have first period
class. It was only the second or third day of school. When I emerged from the subway, Union Square
was strangely quiet, which only added to the beauty of the day. People were standing still,
which is weird in New York under any circumstances, and looking down University Place towards
lower Manhattan. Before I even looked I asked a passerby what had happened. She, or he,
I really don’t remember, said that a plane had crashed into the Trade Center. Then I
looked and saw the smoke coming billo wing out of the South Tower. I thought it was an
accident, but I knew that this was not going to be an easy day.
Well it’s obviously someone who was in New York City on September 11, 2001, but that
only narrows it down to like 10 million people. However, I happen to know that it is Crash
Course historian and my high school history teacher Raoul Meyer who wrote that account.
This is the saddest I have ever been not to be shocked.
So whether George Bush’s domestic policy would have worked is up for debate, but the
events of September 11, 2001 ensured that foreign policy would dominate any discussion
of the opening decade of the 21st century. That morning terrorists affiliated with al
Qaeda hijacked 4 airliners. Two planes were flown into Manhattan’s World Trade Center,
a third was crashed into the Pentagon in Washington and a fourth, also headed for Washington DC
crashed in Pennsylvania when passengers overpowered the hijackers.
Almost 3,000 people died including almost 400 policemen and firefighters.
As Americans rushed to help in the search for survivors and to rebuild a devastated
city, a shared sense of trauma and a desire to show resolve really did bring the country
together. President Bush’s popularity soared in the
wake of the attacks. In a speech on September 20, the president told Americans watching
on television that the terrorists had targeted America “Because we love freedom […]. And
they hate freedom.” This is another critical moment in American
history where the definition of freedom is being reimagined.
And we were reminded in the wake of September 11th that one of the central things that government
does to keep us free is to keep us safe. But at the same time ensuring our safety sometimes
means impinging upon our freedoms. And the question of how to keep America safe
while also preserving our civil liberties is one of the central questions of the 21st
century. At any rate, in the September 20th speech,
the president announced a new guiding principle in foreign policy that became known as the
Bush Doctrine. America would go to war with terrorism making
no distinction between the terrorists and nations that harbored them.
Bush laid out the terms for the world that night: “Either you are with us or you are
with the terrorists.” But that dichotomy of course would prove to
be a bit of an oversimplification. So on October 7, the United States launched
its first airstrikes on Afghanistan, which at the time was ruled by a group of Islamic
fundamentalists called the Taliban who were protecting Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda’s leader.
This was followed by American ground troops supporting the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance
in chasing out the Taliban and setting up a new Afghan government that was friendly
to the United States. This new government did undo many of the worst
Taliban policies, for instance allowing women and girls to go to school, and even to serve
in the parliament. More women than girls in the parliament naturally.
But by 2007 the Taliban was beginning to make a comeback and although fewer than 100 Americans
died in the initial phase of the war, a sizeable force remained and in the ensuing 12 years
the number of Americans killed would continue to rise.
And then, by January 2002, Bush had expanded the scope of the Global War on Terror by proclaiming
that Iran, Iraq and North Korea were an “axis of evil” that harbored terrorists, even
though none of those nations had direct ties to the September 11 attacks.
The ultimate goal of Bush Doctrine was to make the world safe for freedom and also to
spread it and freedom was defined as consisting of political democracy, free expression, religious
toleration, free trade and free markets. These freedoms, Bush said, were, “right
and true for every person, in every society”. And there’s no question that the Saddam
Hussein led Iraq of 2003 was not, by any of those definitions, free.
But the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States was predicated on two ideas. First,
that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction – chemical and biological weapons that they
were refusing to give up. And second, that there was, or at least may have been, a link
between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and the Al Qaeda attacks of 9-11.
So in March 2003 the United States, Britain, and a coalition of other countries, invaded
Iraq. Within a month Baghdad was captured, Saddam Hussein was ousted, Iraq created a
new government that was more democratic than Saddam’s dictatorship, and then descended
into sectarian chaos. After Baghdad fell, President Bush declared
the end of major combat operations in Iraq, but troops soon found themselves trying to
manage an increasingly organized insurgency that featured attacks and bombings.
And by 2006 American intelligence analysts concluded that Iraq had become a haven for
Islamist terrorists, which it hadn’t been, before the invasion.
In fact, Saddam Hussein’s socialist government, while it occasionally called upon religion
to unify people against an enemy, was pretty secular.
Although fewer than 200 Americans had died in the initial assaults, by the end of 2006,
more than 3,000 American soldiers had been killed and another 20,000 wounded.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis had died in the conflict and the costs of the war which
were promised to be no more than $60 billion had ballooned to $200 billion dollars.
So that, and we try really hard here at Crash Course to be objective was a bit of a disaster.
But let’s now go back to the domestic side of things and jump back in time to the passage
of the USA PATRIOT act. Which believe it or not is an acronym for
the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and
Obstruct Terrorism act of 2001. Oh, Congress you don’t pass many laws these
days but when you do… mmhm…. there’s some winners.
The PATRIOT act gave the government unprecedented law enforcement powers to combat domestic
terrorism including the ability to wiretap and spy on Americans.
At least 5000 people connected to the Middle East were called in for questioning and more
than 1200 were arrested, many held for months without any charge.
The administration also set up a camp for accused terrorists in Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba,
but not the fun kind of camp, the prison kind, it housed more than 700 suspects.
The president also authorized the National Security Agency to listen in to telephone
conversations without first obtaining a warrant, the so-called warrantless wiretapping.
In 2013 Americans learned that NSA surveillance has of course gone much farther than this
with surveillance programs like PRISM which sounds like it’s out of an Orwell novel
– I mean both like the name and the actual thing it refers to.
Meredith would like us to point out that Prism is also the name of a Katy Perry album proving
that we here at Crash Course are young and hip and with it. Who is Katy Perry? Oh right,
she has that song in Madagascar 3. Sorry, I have little kids.
The Supreme Court eventually limited the executive branch’s power and ruled that enemy combatants
do have some procedural rights. Congress also banned the use of torture in a 2005 defense
appropriations bill sponsored by Republican John McCain who himself had been a victim
of torture in Vietnam. But the Defense Department did condone the
continued use of so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” like waterboarding.
Which most countries do consider torture. But George W Bush won re-election in 2004,
defeating the surprisingly weak John Kerry, who was characterized as a “waffler” on
a number of issues including the Iraq war. Kerry’s history as a Vietnam protester and
also terrible windsurfer probably didn’t help him much.
Bush’s victory is still a bit surprising to historians admittedly at that moment the
Iraq war seemed to be going pretty well. But during Bush’s first term, the economy,
which is usually what really drives voters, wasn’t that great at all.
A recession began during 2001 and the September 11 attacks made it much worse. And while the
GDP did begin to grow again relatively quickly, employment didn’t recover, hence all the
description of it as a “jobless recovery.” 90% of the jobs lost in the 2001-2002 recession
were in manufacturing, continuing a trend that we had been seeing for 30 years. The
number of steelworkers dropped from 520,000 in 1970 to 120,000 in 2004.
And in his first term George W Bush actually became the first president since Herbert Hoover
to oversee a net loss of jobs. Now I want to be clear that that’s not necessarily
his fault as I have said many times before – economics are complicated. And presidents
do not decide whether economies grow. But at any rate George W Bush was re-elected
and went on to have an extremely controversial second term. Let’s go to the thoughtbubble.
In 2005 several events undermined the public’s confidence in the Bush administration. First,
Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff was indicted for perjury and then House Majority
Leader Tom “The Hammer” DeLay was indicted for violating campaign finance laws.
Then in August 2005, Hurricane Katrina slammed into the gulf coast near New Orleans submerging
much of the city, killing nearly 1500 people, and leaving thousands stranded without basic
services. Disaster preparation and response was poor on the state, local, and federal
levels, but the slow response of the Department of Homeland Security and Federal Emergency
Management Agency was particularly noticeable as thousands of mostly African American New
Orleans residents suffered without food or water. Damage to the city was estimated at
around $80 billion dollars. And the Katrina disaster exposed the persistent poverty and
racial divisions in the city. While the Katrina response probably contributed
to the reversal of fortune for Congressional Republicans in the 2006 mid-terms, it was
more likely the spike in gasoline prices that resulted from the shutting down of refining
capacity in the gulf and increased demand for oil from rapidly growing China. Voters
gave Democrats majorities in both houses, and Nancy Pelosi of California became the
first woman Speaker of the House in American history.
And then, in 2007, the country fell back into recession as a massive housing bubble began
to deflate, followed by the near collapse of the American banking system in 2008.
Thought Bubble, thank you once again for the tremendous downer.
So, the Bush years are still in the recent past, and it’s impossible to tell just what
their historical significance is without some distance.
But the attacks on September 11 had far ranging effects on American foreign policy but also
on the entire world. Under the leadership of George W Bush the
United States began a global fight against terrorism and for freedom.
But as always, what we mean by the words is evolving and there’s no question that in
trying to ensure a certain kind of freedom we have undermined other kinds of freedom.
We’ll get to the even messier and murkier world of the 2008 financial collapse next
week. Until then, thanks for watching. Crash Course is made with the help of all
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Comments 99

  • Oh George, swaggering America before it was cool

  • We got a new star wars trilogy. It's even worse than the second trilogy.

  • Pleasantly surprised i haven't found any "bush did 9/11" comments

  • 5:34 Danm, when he said CRASH course, he ment it literally!

  • 13:35 nice Kanye reference

  • That description of the Florida vote was waaay too compressed to the point where it just made Bush look like he was bypassing the system. When you said that Gore sued to have the vote recounted, you shouldn't have said "but Bush intervened" because the recount did go ahead. Multiple times.

  • was 9/11 an inside job?

  • Roger Stone had everything to do with Politics back then…

  • Thank god for Obama

  • Cute you Americans think 20 years ago is history.

  • crash course taste like freedom

  • I know toleration is a real word but why does it conjure an image of Johnny Reb toting his rifle and complaining about mancipation?

  • I gotta tell u, great work with this channels work, wish I were part of a team this great

  • All of this could've been avoided if:
    The Ottoman Empire never Collapsed
    The USA made the French and British Colonies retreat.

  • I'm shocked to see how much Government talking points and Disinfo is contained in this Video. Propaganda much?

  • The USA is the most undemocratic democracy I've ever seen. What a joke.

  • Future here, just wanna let you know Mr. Green that a star wars follow up trilogy that doesn't suck, has yet to arrive. in fact, id rewatch the 3 from the 90s/2000s before the hot trash disney pumped out.

  • Hi I’m Nathan Blake I love crashcourse this is my first comment on you tobe

  • Be mine friend war is bad

  • Man ! You speak SO FAST !

  • The slow demise of the hegemony of the Americans – we see an increase in aggressive stance – but the signs are clear – we will have to prepare for a new world order.

  • Repeal the Patriot Act

  • Bush…the Real war criminal

  • George W. Bush. 5th best US President. Behind his father, Kennedy, Reagan, and Lincoln

  • little did john green know that his words at 3:41 would become a song

  • Didn't find any nukes, found oil tho

  • the American troops are animals killing civilians and abu krabe were they raped and torture

  • My stomach hurt when he said Nancy Pelosi

  • 3:11 WELL John from the past….. LET ME TELL YOU…. 2015 happened………

  • 0:10 that’s exactly what happened to me in my American studies class…

  • In Apush we only got up to The Spanish American war and the race to get islands in pacific

  • 9/11 was not an inside job. It was committed by 19 radical Muslims who hate your girlfriend for wearing a mini skirt and your love for alcohol. Simple as that.

  • Brilliant channel

  • You're out of your mind
    Georgie shrub and his family manufactured the plot and demolitioned the twin towers in new York

  • Who else is here because of school

  • The ISIS was created by Bush.

  • Yeah believe it or not Arabs are humans (stop showing sadness for the us killing machines)

  • Osama bin Laden is from Saudi where is the Iraqi connection?


    2 planes bought down 3 buildings in New York.

    The BBC reported WTC 7 free fall 22 minutes BEFORE it happened, yet we're never asked to explain how they knew.

    Indeed WTC 7 formed no part of the official inquiry.

    Israeli agents were arrested on the day for filming the attack and high 5ing each other, they later FAILED a lie detector test, and were released.

  • 9:10 green zone

  • Make an unbiased documentary of Pakistan. I really wanna see that. I can't find any

  • 5:47 You mean when flight 93 was shot down?

  • Usa +SA+Israel=911

  • wow, what is that globe about? all the countries blanked out but America?

  • Bremer is the biggest disaster of us foriegn policy

  • you should be more respectful at some points i think

  • Looking back at this video, I just realized they made a “this is America” meme before it was cool. Nice

  • If future US presidents keep doing stuff like what George W. Bush did with Iraq, then they could get their own citizens killed in possible attacks from angered governments of middle-eastern countries. Saddam Hussein may have not been the nicest guy, but he did plenty of good things.

  • Wonder what today would be like if the recount hadn’t been halted and had Al Gore actually won.

  • I love you John green

  • Lol u caught me with the ap test 0:15

  • My Ap test tomorrow… Imma fail ?

  • Al gore should have won the 2000 election

  • When he mentioned a Star Wars trilogy that doesn't suck, I had to look up when TFA came out. Turns out he was talking about the prequels. John Green, there is worse to come.

  • Iraq had no weapons, America was after the oil….smh

  • Did we really defeat the wrong enemy? (Georg S. Patton)
    Yes, with Iraq pretty sure!
    And yes, this war open the gates of hell.
    Europe is practically done and the US. fallow it.
    What exactly expect western billionaires to finding on an Islamic hell on earth? They have anywhere another blue Planet?
    But song is still great!

  • Did we really defeat the wrong enemy? (Georg S. Patton)
    Yes, with Iraq pretty sure!
    And yes, this war open the gates of hell.
    Europe is practically done and the US. fallow it.
    What exactly expect western billionaires to finding on an Islamic hell on earth? They have anywhere another blue Planet?
    But song is still great!

  • Did we really defeat the wrong enemy? (Georg S. Patton)
    Yes, with Iraq pretty sure!
    And yes, this war open the gates of hell.
    Europe is practically done and the US. fallow it.
    What exactly expect western billionaires to finding on an Islamic hell on earth? They have anywhere another blue Planet?
    But song is still great!

  • madagascar 3 lmao

  • That bit about a good Star wars trilogy hits even harder now.

  • I think the phrase "[the taliban] was protecting Osama Bin Laden" at 7:17 is pretty reductive.

    In his book No Good Men Among the Living, Anand Gopal explores the motivations of the Taliban and their capacity at this time. He argues that the Taliban was not particularly aligned with Al Qaeda, but given fact the government was only a few years old at this point, they couldn't have done anything about Al Qaeda if they wanted to. Furthermore, the very basis of their Government was a rejection of foreign influence after the decades long Civil War that was caused almost entirely by foreign influence, so regardless of how they felt about Al Qaeda or their capacity to actually capture Bin Laden, if they had sought to turn Bin Laden over to the US, this would be impossible for the very young government to do.

    For the most part, this doesn't influence the story very much, except that Afghanistan was the first country to be subject to the Bush Doctrine that you refer to. This means that the very first demand made under the Bush doctrine (i.e. Turn over Bin Laden or we'll bomb you) was impossible to comply with. So while the Bush Doctrine was stated as "You're with us or your with the terrorists" essentially became even more arbitrary than even the stated form you provided.

  • John McCain was tortured by Sarah Palin.

  • 3:13 well past John Green, I've got some good news for you!

  • I think that 9/11 was an inside job. Even the fools will know!!*clearly in the video that its a demolition backed by planes as a props!! Bush administration acted as a peacekeeper without realizing the consequences. Libya was great by the time of Ghadafi but look what happened. Iraq,Syria,Vietnam? They cant clean the trashes they've made.

  • George Bush doesn't care about black people

  • "Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." P. J. O'Rourke

  • New star wars films dont melt steel beams

  • I wonder what Crash course would teach about the Trump years

  • Thats why we voted for Trump. Trump Pence 2020 four more years!

  • Gore won. Republicans cheated. Fixed it for you

  • 9/11 was an Israeli military intelligence operation carried out in order to serve as a pretext for perpetual war in the middle east.

  • As a Floridian, the phrase "hanging chad" still makes me cringe 19 years later, and I wasn't even old enough to vote in that election.

  • 8:41 OMG thats when i was born!

  • First, I hate John Green. Pansy who can write. I will see if this changes after this video. What a metrosexual.

  • He was great. I'd want any kid to hear this. Then, a brief on the obvious inside job of blowing up the towers and Building 7. Nice job, John Green.

  • 1:50 – 3:02 I'm gonna drop this comment here for those of you who think the US should get rid of the electoral college. The US is a tight alliance of 50 states. Each state gets a say in the Fed's. That say is equal in the senate, and is population based in the house. You tell your state who to vote for and a candidate basically has to win a majority of states. The purpose of this is to prevent, say 4 states from consistently running over the other 46 and therefore becoming the rulers.

  • I remember Bush's press conferences haha he was a guinness at answering questions not even Trump is that funny

  • One very specific tidbit you left out regarding John Kerry. Yes, he was a Vietnam War Protestor…BUT…He was also a decorated war veteran of that very conflict. He ran missions in Vietnam on armed boat crews and received several military honors, including a Purple Heart and Silver Star.

  • I would be pleased if you could somehow verify that terrorists were in fact in control of the planes.

  • George bush doesn't care about black people

  • I dont even live in America but i still watch this… idk why

  • You did not mention how many people die in Iraq and Afghanistan? !!!!!

  • I think it's worth mentioning that the biggest urban battle since Hue. Was postponed until after Bush secured his reelection. Then after the election we went in and fought the "Battle of Fallujah."

  • Those Katy Perry and Madagascar mentions were unnecessary bot other than that, good video.

  • To this day the healthcare cost of those 9/11 responders still hasn't been passed to this day almost 18 years later

  • I often wonder what life would have been like if social media was a big in 2001 as it is now. The Bush years would have fallen apart so fast!

  • Funny how every time Republicans hold a supermajority for 8 years the economy crashes.

  • Jewrge Bush did 9/11. Don't deny it.

  • Jeb bush also oversaw ten thousand black voters in Florida being turned away at the polls on Election Day in 2000. Bush won Florida by five hundred votes. I wonder who they would've voted for. ??

  • Bush was the worst president EVER. He failed to prevent 9/11 and led us into the most pointless war ever. His response to Katrina was too slow, and at the TAIL END of his presidency, the stock market crashes.

    At all it took was a black guy to clean up his mess.

  • Thanks so much for all your series! The best way to pepare for my state exams :D!

  • Just a side note from 2019. At the begining of the video, a mention of the Electoral College. Right now, because of Trumps election hinging on the EC, Democrats want to eliminate it. But, what I find vexing: the hypocrisy of the Democrats. For instance: how Democrat controled cities/states became sanctuaries for illegal aliens WITHOUT voter's consent or for knowledge. No transparency, nothing. Democrats love skirting the democratic process when it suits them.

  • I wasnt gonna write anything, but i feel obligated to talk about some of the things mentioned in this video. I feel that your analysis is a bit biased in the way you discussed the war, because you only tackled it from an american perspective. And i would not even bother mentioning this had the rest of your videos been like this, but you are generally very fair and open minded when discussing history. When you say that bush waged war on terror and despotism in Iraq i must disagree with you as i believe this to be an overly simplified analysis, america had an ally in saddam for a long time and they were the ones supporting him in his tyranny ( just like trump is doing now with ibn salman in saudi arabia) and they knew full well what he was doing when they supported him. It was a change of interest, the rising of oil prices and the potential plummet of the american market that led to this war. And i distinctly remember the rhetoric during the first years of war being exclusively about finding weapons of mass destruction which were – surprise surprise- not there, and when faced with global indignation, and domestic clamouring to bring the troops home, the government said they wanted to overthrow saddam.
    Also, when you talk about lives lost, dont just mention "american" lives, that s not fair, hundreds of thousands of iraqi people died too, or are you taking the american government approach to analysis when they called them " collateral dammge". The day elfalouja fell, 20000 people died in one day. Now those werent terrorists, they were people deffending their homes against a hostile, millitary invader who came with tanks and drones and bombs. Surely the logical approach was to fight back.
    Also, when you say that the war was successful i find i must disagree, it may have been succussful on your end but for the iraqi and for muslims it was a debacle. Hundreds of thousand s of innocents died, entire cities were damaged, and the rift between shiite and sunnite was bigger than ever.
    Not to mention the organised media warfare waged on muslims by the wonderful american media, where we were publically attacked, and defamed for simply being muslim. It was open season on arabs those years, our identity and practices were fair game.
    Also, it s very unfair to say that some arab countries "harbored" terrorists. I am an algerian and we have a dangerously large number of terrorists, we dont harbor them, we suffer from them because they kill hundreds of people annually and it takes a lot of work to get them out of hiding and apprehend them. Before they get to you guys they go through millions of us. Just like italy isnt harboring the kosanostra, and japan the yakusa and america isnt harboring the neo nazies we dont harbor terrorists, we struggle with them
    You probably wont even read this, but i had to write it anyway, it feels like the right thing to do

  • Man. George had a pretty rough presidency.

  • It's not water boarding if you use diesel.

  • it's' hard to take me serious with that… lol

  • beasts of the southern wild reference lol

  • bush litterally unstablize the Middle East

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