Mary Frances Berry – “History Teaches Us to Resist” and the Power of Protest | The Daily Show

-Welcome to The Daily Show.
-Well, thank you. And before we get into the book,
I just wanted to say, I honestly have met few people
who have lived as much of a life -as you have.
-You mean I’m old. (laughter) No. Some people are old,
but they haven’t lived life. -Ah. Okay, all right
-They really haven’t. Because-because…
reading through your story truly fascinated me. I mean, you know,
you were at the forefront of opposing the war in Vietnam. You know, you were
one of the key individuals who fought for the American
government to impose sanctions on the apartheid government
in South Africa. You’ve been fighting
for equality in America for a long time. You’ve been on the front lines, and you are friend
of Dr. King’s family. If you look at MLK Day today,
and you look at how people have warped his message
and his image, et cetera, what do you think is the biggest
misconception people have -about Dr. King?
-The biggest misconception is that Martin Luther King
was a dreamer who had a dream. Every time I go someplace,
people get up and say, “Yes, he was a dreamer,
he was always dreaming.” Well, that’s
because of the speech and the part that’s taken out. Uh, Martin Luther King believed
in the right to vote. The first speech he gave
in Washington at the Prayer Pilgrimage
in 1957, his coming out, as it were,
in Washington, was about,
if we ever got the vote, everything would change–
we’d have justice if we just got the vote. That was even after… a year before,
they had done the boycott, -Right.
-the Montgomery boycott. But over the years
as he evolved, he saw, hey, the vote is
important and we should get it, and he continues
to fight for it, but voting by itself
isn’t gonna give us justice. And he concluded that protest is an essential ingredient
of politics. You see,
politicians want two things. They want you to vote for them,
and they want to get re… get elected, and they want you
to vote for them -so they can get reelected.
-Right. Those are two things they want. -(laughs)
-But the thing you have to want is to make them do
what will give you justice and equality
in this country, and they won’t do that -unless you make them do it.
-That’s really interesting. And that’s where
protest is involved. Martin Luther King
believed in nonviolence. He learned about it.
He believed in it. He and Coretta believed in it. It was at the center
of their lives. When I say protest is an essential ingredient
in politics, I mean nonviolent protest. And the book is about
the kind of nonviolent protest you can engage in
which will make change. It will make government
officials who you elected actually do what they promised
they would do. Isn’t that unique? How interesting that they would
actually promise to do something and even try to do it. -(laughter)
-You see? Uh, say, you… But that’s what… And… The other thing
the book is about is how every generation has to make its own dent
in the wall of injustice. Young people, you know,
have to pass it on. -Mm-hmm. -All the movements
that I talk about in that book in which I was involved and at the center
of some of them… It didn’t happen overnight. You didn’t go out
and have one march. You didn’t go out
and have two marches. Uh, we went on for years until we were able
to make change. So, young people
have to pick up the torch and move forward with it
and make their own dent. It takes a long time
for it to happen. And Martin Luther King
stood for all of that. He didn’t live long enough. Unfortunately,
his life was taken. But in the time
that he had with us, he modeled all those things
for us. There was another thing
he modeled, which was
you don’t have to be perfect in order to be good
and to have a good message. You don’t have
to be personally perfect -in order to…
-Mm-hmm. Uh, what you look at
is what people do in the cause and what sacrifices
they’re willing to make. And that doesn’t mean that
everybody should go out and die. That’s not what
I’m talking about. What I’m talking about
is we worked hard to end the draft,
and we succeeded. I can show you, and if you read
what’s in the book, you will see that we succeeded. When we wanted the
Americans with Disabilities Act passed in the Congress,
we used strategies -and tactics to make it happen.
-Right. And what you have to do
when you protest is keep changing what you do. Don’t do the same thing over
and over and over again. People get tired. If you did
the same thing on your show every night,
people would say, “Eh.” -(laughing)
-And they won’t watch you. Change it up! Or if you were like the-the team that played, uh,
Kansas City yesterday and they just kept on doing
the same thing. And I kept saying, “Why don’t
you do something different?!” -You see? So, uh…
-(cheering and applause) -So, then that’s-that’s really
interesting. -So the box… So if you want– if you want
student loans forgiven so you don’t have to pay off
all that debt, whatever it is you want, organize people, mobilize people to do it
in a nonviolent way. Put pressure on ’em. You have to make politicians
do stuff. -Yes. Climate change.
-Do you think that– Right. -Make them do it. -Do you think
then our generation has become complacent
in thinking that a moment of giant protest counts
as-as the duration of protest? Because in the book, you-you
talk about how, for instance, with the a-apartheid movement,
anti-apartheid movement, it took two years for you to get -the American government
to do something. -Right. So do you think our generation
goes, “We have a big march. It trended on Twitter.
And now we’re done” and we think that’s enough, whereas it’s supposed to be
an ongoing affair? Twitter– putting something out
on Twitter is not a movement. You can inform people
through Twitter. -It’s very useful for that.
-Right. Facebook.
They’re all useful for that. Also, you can be kept
under surveillance by the people who are watching
you while you’re doing it. But you have to–
What I learned over time– and Martin was
an exemplar of that– you have to be present
in the moment. You have to do something
yourself. You have to be there. You have to put your body
on the line. You have to be willing
to go to jail. You have to be willing to say, “Here I stand
and you will go no further, because I have moral authority
in what I’m doing.” So, use any kind of media
for communication, -to get in touch
and stay in touch. -Right. Although we used to use
mimeograph machines and get ink all over our fingers and all of that
and the rest of it. But you can make change. So the lesson of all this is, in this book is,
if you read it, if there’s a change you want
to have made, sure, vote. It’s an election year. But don’t just vote
and then go home and say, “All right, I did it.
Now, four years from now, I’ll come back and do it again.” That won’t get us anywhere. That won’t end inequality
and that won’t change us and get us justice
in this country. -If you could organize– Yeah.
-(cheering and applause) If you… if you could organize
a protest today that would last until it-it got
the results that it needed, what would you say
is the most pressing issue? I know there are many, but
what would you say right now would be the most pressing,
pressing issue that you think people need to protest for? -Climate change.
-(whooping, applause) Because climate change affects all of us… without regard to race
or class or whatever it is. We may not understand
that it does, but it does. So, I would do it in a way to try to explain to people not just the morality of it, but how their lives
are in danger and the lives
of their children and so on. -And find messaging…
-Mm-hmm. that would help to do that. And the messaging takes time. For the antiapartheid movement, the steering committee on that
movement, which was successful, met every day at my house
in the morning for a year and a half. And had protestors out every
single day going to jail. We all went to jail
multiple times. We boycotted, uh,
Shell Oil Company. We-we did, we-we made people
stop buying Krugerrands, when they didn’t even know
what Krugerrands were before. -(Noah laughs)
-Uh, we got now help to get Nelson out of jail,
and, oh, was that a great day -when that happened.
-Right. And so, it takes hard work, it takes thought, it takes,
using creativity and imagination about how to get
the public’s attention. We had marches,
but when we had marches, we had celebrities, people
who folks don’t know about. Paul Newman, you guys
never heard of him. (audience whooping) -He was an actor, uh…
-(Noah laughing) -Um, people like that
who were out there. -Right. You know, doing it, so,
in fact, you can… If I were doing it, uh,
I would sit down, and you can,
if anybody wants to start, read the book
and come to my house, and we’ll sit there for another
year and a half going out every day mobilizing people
and figuring out what to do. -Sounds like a plan.
-(applause and cheering) Thank you so much
for being on the show. -Sure. -Wonderful having you,
especially today. History Teaches Us to Resist
is available now. Dr. Mary Frances Berry,

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  • When MLK and Nelsopn Mandela have a 1st class sister. This is whatr a President could be.

  • not to be rude or anything but i thought she was a guy

  • Wow!! a living walking talking piece of history I have never heard of… Thank u Trevor.

  • Climate change doesn't "affects us", it's actually KILLING people right now. People talk about it like it's one day going to be a big deal. No, it's already here.

  • She is right, that we all have to act to move or change anything we want just like President Barack Obama said "Yes we Can" .

  • History teaches us to racist. 😐


  • For the most part, Protests are non-violent. A violent protest is pretty rare

  • I thought it was a man, it took me time to realize that it's a woman

  • Jane Fonda had been going out like every week getting. Arrested for climate change with a different celebrity guest each week so I guess now we just need to make it bigger and more creative.

  • You guys look related

  • she's absolutely correct! don't be distracted, the world is magic and she's being destroyed by our arrogance and ignorance.

  • People like her give inspiration even for us in India. I wish more people see this in India right now.

  • You have to be here, now.

  • Brilliant!

  • So we not talking about Kobe Bryant?

  • Trevor winning with Dr. Berry!⏰📚👏👏

  • TMH teaches trust no man. Guess what it works!!!

  • I loved this interview! I plan to get her book!

  • The Borg teaches us resistance is futile.

  • Smart Lady right there Salute to Her !!

  • Who is to say what “living life” is

  • What a brilliant mind!

  • Go, Mary! You said it! No-one's going to get away from Climate Change by being rich or not getting a criminal record for holding up traffic!

  • Where there is a will, there is a way. ——————-:- Pauline Kael

  • @Trevor, can you interview Tulsi Gabbard? She is an amazing person running for president.

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  • I'm not about to play with Nelson Mandela's twin flame

  • I love ur show and I just want say .why do not u ask Ethiopian people who know about world pleaseeeeee!!

  • I 100% agree with everything she has to say.

  • How can the system that killed him also make a national day named after him? Is it a warning to those who would want to think like him?

  • This woman is such a vast repository of human wisdom. Literally a sage. She's lived a life worth living twice.

  • Talk about Kobe [email protected]#$

  • Thank you for introducing me to these fantastic leaders, Trevor. I didn't know who Ms. Berry was and I was a rapt listener in only a matter of seconds.

  • We are being required to pay the debt that freedom demands.

  • "Some people are old, but they don't live a life" – Nice catch, Trevor! :)))

  • Hillary Clinton was mentored by a KKK Grand Cyclops. Bill Clinton gave us mass incarceration of black people via the 1994 Crime Bill…and he's a pedophile.

    Liberalism is for dumb fucks who vote for everything they hate.

  • What a great book title. My book list is going to grow. I thank every American who made it necessary for me to double my reading, and triple my action😍😉😎

  • History told you fucking idiots that Hillary was mentored by a guy who CREATED the KKK in W. Virginia….and you fucking idiots still voted for her.

    History tells me that Trevor Noah is a deep state bitch and a supports of racists.

  • Daily Show is for the same morons who think CNN is real news…and SNL is real comedy.

  • The same Deep State controlled FBI hated MLK Jr. just like they hate Trump….

  • Every American should vote dammit

  • I am wondering why a lot of achievements and progress in human societies and the way we live most of the time depend on power, and certainly those who are in power. Our voice can be heard but if we are not in power, struggles must happen. By the way, I also want my voice to be heard. I am an Indonesian who is currently studying at NC State. I just made an Impersonation video of Barack Obama DNC Speech 2004. . There is a lot of important message there that still relevant to our current generation, including me. . . Thanks

  • Female Mandela?

  • Such wise words. What a great woman.

  • Trevor is truly and inspiration.. He inspired a lot of my works,and am glad to be associated with u.. So of my works inspired by him can be seen below via link..

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  • Love her🙏

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  • I could listen to this great Woman all day.

  • Oh my GAWD, Trebor…. Don't you know any ACTUAL Americans? Who in God's name do you imagine wants to listen to more of you guys? Go home…

  • lol protesting doesnt accomplish a fucking thing, just ask the people of iraq, hong kong, and venuzeula. as long as the few billionaires continue to own everything protesting will continue to accomplish nothing. its nice that old lady thinks something she did 50 years ago really mattered though cuz the president is totally not racist anymore and black people are never systematically targeted by the corporate police state and murdered in the streets.smh

  • Dr. Mary F. Berry. Got nothing but love for you girl. Thanks for having her on the show Trevor.
    Young people got to make that dent, in the politicians head, you dont get reelected till you do your job AND SERVE US.
    Young people you got to take up the front roll in all these things. Especially Global Warming, like that strong young girl from Sweden Greta. We are old. We have done our part. But the politicians are still there. It is up to you. To make the world you want to live in. One that is polluted and dying? Or healthy and growing? Live under the yoke of oppresion? Or live free? It is up to you to preserve your rights and freedoms, and increase them. Good luck. Be strong.
    God Bless You!

  • This is one of those you need to listen to your elders moments or else the changing climate will lead to another mass extinction and some future species discovers our fossil remains.

  • This is amazing guidance for young people who want to change things. Perhaps, some of them, for the first time heard how things work. Without a doubt, most of them think that tweeting is a protest. It is not. If you want to protest, do something, go out, do it peacefully, do it patiently. It takes time and it takes effort. And it takes numbers (that's what twitter is for). This is the only way to be heard.

  • Rest In Peace

  • Great message but…anyone else sees Jason staring on the right when they zoom on her….

  • Breaking News: Nostradamus predicted Coronavirus !

  • Great interview.

  • RIP Kobe Bryant

  • Imagine being so involved that you can refer to great people as "Martin", or "Nelson". I hope she lives forever.

    This is reality of spread… Please spread the link… please help them… please spread it even in normal videos so people can help themselves…

  • What part of voting for a woman married to a pedophile is resisting??? I'm waiting….

  • Voting for Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein's Best Friends isn't resisting…. just in case you dumb fucks didn't realize.

  • Im glad to see her again. Such a fascinating and smart human being.
    May her wisdom is taken in by as many as possible.

    Great title on the book, too. Far too few bother to learn the lessons of the past.

  • I'm not seeing how nonviolent protest forces the government to behave. She used a strong word, make. that implies force, otherwise, why do they need to behave? Elections are purchased, many people do base their vote off tv and social media, so all they need is friends in the media. Non violent protests can simply be ignored. How about thoughtfully violent protest? Violence against the political machine itself, not actual violence against people. Technology opens up so many new avenues.

  • I bow to the lady!

  • Totally agree with her. I never really thought about protests that way. I always as a young person just thought there was an agenda, you met, you protested and then whether it happened or not that was it. But if its that powerful to get the people in authority to do something then I think she's hit the nail on the head. Plus she would join a protest for climate change as well. Looks like Greta and others have potential support

  • I must have that book and read it daily.

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  • Thank you Dr. Berry!

  • I used to reject academic certification and intellectual knowledge, because when I was young, and I looked around, people in authorities with great academic credentials, seemed stupid, always talking nonsense and obviously missing the point on solving the fundamentally important issues.
    I thought it was because their studies, knowledge and experience didn't give them the insight to those important problems.
    Now, much older, I realise academic and intellectual knowledge are , and were always, insightful and valuable.
    Those authority figures whom I deemed stupid and incompetent weren't. Now, I realise, it's not that they didn't recognise the problems, or that they weren't smart enough to solve them. They were smart, they recognised those problems all along, they probably knew what the best course of action to take was, but they just pretend like they didn't see those problems.
    They were wilfully ignoring the right things to do….

  • Gratitude for sharing Mary Frances Berry with your audience! #WarriorWoman Living & fighting for the Fullness of Life for All Generations! don't keep doing the same thing~a message for current activist! a 'moment' doesn't cut it, We must pick up the torch & move forward #ClimateCrisis impacts EveryOne in the World & needs Attention Now #MustBePresentToWin 👊💜🌎

  • Wow, what a great interview!

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  • Thank you for this interview.

  • It is so true in order to get something done in government, the people have to rise up and fight for it. Also, bitching on social media is not protesting. It is true you have to be ready to go to jail for protests. The law is hardly ever on the side of the protester. 👍💘

  • Malcolm X was the best and is still alive, not in form but in a piece ~ memory that always awaking us to the capacity on how to get our rights in every form of slavery no matter the caused course, be it violent or whatever….!

  • I really like her she understands the reality of change . Dr King if you protest is the only way to go and absolutely be creative yes ! However I'm older too and feel as if we are climbing a lot of steps on our knees like good Catholics Ugh! (believe in a God that is all knowing or fear of life guilt ? )
    I'm for embarrassing politics by getting someone willing to
    advertise and compare Very Effectively Our Political leaders to others and Shame Shame Shame and embarrass them around the world ** peacefully Psychology if you think others are not as important you think it of you too mirroring . If you force people to compare and struggle and strive to live they know your doing it at least subconsciously . This is violence against all of humanity actually and could reasonably be changed. There is nothing that will help you live any better using money in all actuality you will still die . You will still potentially suffer. You will still be frightened if you are so money changes nothing that way. Someone needs to tell Politics we'll all die if that ocean isn't cleaned up enough though No Oxygen*** and show them some science ! Bill Nye willing to do that ?

  • Dr. Mary Frances Berry is absolutely inspiring! BRAVA!!!

  • beautiful black woman. she looks like my grandmother with short hair

  • Come on America. Let's mobilise! You have the power. Not the 1%

  • this loser comes to america and tells us how to run our government.. go back if u dont like it

  • Its really important to recognize that this woman is alive (& not all that old), meaning that in her lifetime, racism was bad then & is still bad today. When white people try to say that racism was handled, people of color have equal rights, they do not, not really.


  • It's also a common misconception about MLK that he was known to use the phrase, "Black power!" In fact, this phrase was used at civil rights marches, but the moment MLK heard it being shouted at a march he was participating in, he would make it a point to withdraw from that march. This phrase meant that the protesters were about to turn violent.

  • exactly. & it sucks that you should have to give up so much of your life, time with your family, your energy & money, to get your representative to do what they promised, or to do the right thing or make laws for others to do the right thing, or whatever. we constantly have to fight. all the time there are people fighting to get these 'representatives' to do the right thing. how many are right now? it's ridiculous. & all the corruption going on. keeping blacks from voting still today! it's infuriating. that's why we need diversity in the republican party. the overwhelming white maleness of it screams out their racist & sexism.

  • The wrong mary berry. I was expecting cakes 😩😪

  • Too many (younger) people think that protesting is wrong or even illegal.

  • certainly, Mrs. Berry and Trevor are from the same tribe! This woman is beautiful inside and out.

  • Go get em Mary!

  • Now that is interesting because I've heard that MLK didn't really believe in non-violence. Yet was convinced that non violence was the only way. Hmmm

  • Trevor what took you so long to get this woman on heuh huh?!

  • An American icon and hero. This woman should be immortalized on our currency!

  • Stand up for what you believe in.
    Don't give up.

  • This woman is a genius

  • A True patriot & inspiration. Yes, foremost issue is climate. Next, remove drumpf & pence.All other matters, literally!, on back burner. Trans, reparations etc. can wait.

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