Learn from the Experts: Websites (with National History Day)


Ok, good evening everyone and this is Lynne O’Hara. I am the National
Director of Programs at National History Day and we are thrilled that you came to
spend your Tuesday evening with us. What I’d like to do for our second
Google hangout in our series of five is introduce all of our website
students to the guest who will be joining us this evening. First off I’d like to say welcome to
Sarah Aschbrenner whose our co-coordinator in the state of
Minnesota. I’d like to say hello to Mrs. Dawn
Crone her students at Brownsburg High School out in Brownsburg, Indiana. Ms. Nicole Roper at West
Catholic High School in Philadelphia Pennsylvania, and we have a group of six graders
joining us from Mr. Stacy Sato’s classroom at Our Lady of Mercy School
out in Daly City, California. We are thrilled that you joined us and
are hoping that this is an activity that you will
interact with us throughout. At any point in the show please
tweet your questions. The hashtag is: #NHDHangouts with an
S on the end. I have a computer here and am
monitoring the questions and I’m going to ask as many of your questions live to our expert Dr. Louise
Lippincott as we can this evening. So at this point what I wanna do is turn
the agenda over to Karen Kenton, who’s the Senior Program Officer at NEH’s
division of public programs thanks karen. Hi thanks so much Lynne.
Thanks to all our guests for joining us tonight. Before we get started, I just wanted to say a few words about the NEH. The National Endowment for the
Humanities is a federal agency that was created in 1965 because congress recognized that history matters NEH funds research preservation and education in the humanities, in by
the humanities we mean history, literature, philosophy among other fields of study. NEH also fund the sharing of humanities
scholarship and ideas through digital and public programs. NEH has supported history day since its
founding we continue to support the first place
NEH scholar medals at the national competition. And we offer
a cash prize for creative and effective use of
Chronicling America and that’s across all National History
Day submission formats Chronicling America is a free online
database which includes over six million
digitized public domain historic newspaper pages and you’ll also find educational resources
developed by NEH’s edsitement team. As Lynn mentioned I work in NEH’s division of public
programs. We fund projects
that turn rich, well-vetted scholarship into meaningful
programming for public audiences. we see projects
that are engaging, thought-provoking and include excellent
storytelling devices across all platforms. Formats our division
funds may sound very familiar to history day students. They include museum exhibitions,
nationally-broadcast documentary films, digital projects such
as web sites, apps, games, including the website feature tonight
the Teenie Harris archiving website which was developed by
the Carnegie Museum of Art and curated by tonight special guest Dr Louise Lippincott. NEH is proud to
support Teenie Harris photographer in “American Story.” Harris’s photographs document a vibrant
African-American urban community during the Jim Crow and civil rights eras. The archive of nearly eighty thousand
images is one of the most detailed and intimate
records of the black urban experience known
today. We are very fortunate to have Louise Lippincott with us to share her
expertise Doctor Lippincott has degrees in art
history, and European history and has worked her
entire career as an art museum curator. She’s especially
interested in ways images like paintings, krintz, drawings, photographs represent the life of the
past whether five hundred years ago or just
yesterday. Dr. Lippincott why don’t you start us
off by discussing some of the challenges historians
face when working with images. Alright. Images present two special challenges. The first
one is you have to figure out what did an image mean to the person who
made it, or the person who owned it, and then secondly, how does an image
communicate these meanings to people today who often live under very different
circumstances in a very different world. So it’s understanding the original
purpose of the image, and understanding how to relate it to
present and that can be quite challenging. Digital media such as web
sites offer historians amazing new ways to
work with images to tell stories, or to present new ideas and to really draw millions of potential
users into the life of the past that’s why I
and so excited about this new method of communication
with images. Excellent. Thank you so much for joining
us this evening, can you tell us a little bit about your archive and the website that goes with it and
how you came to build the website in the first place. You have this collection of
photographs, how did you decide what to do with them—
(Lippincott)-well we had a big problem. We bought this archive of 80,000
photographic negatives from a wonderful photographer in Pittsburgh and they all arrived in the museum in
about 20 cardboard boxes with no information attached and so the big problem we had
was how do you show that these negatives,
they weren’t even prints, to all the people who could tell us
what they were about and the only answer was to make digital images from the negatives, and put them on a Web site and encourage
people to tell us what the subjects were and that’s what we
did. We started off with about 3,000 and we’ve worked our way up to 72,000. Wow! Now much like our students, you start
off with an idea and a product and you’ve got a good idea can you talk a little bit about how you
go from an idea to kind of planning a website, and the steps
involved in planning from your end? Its a long process and of course, I work in a big
organization where many many people had to be involved but to to reduce it to the basic
elements the first thing you have to do is you have to have a reason to make
the website why are you doing this what is
the goal? We were trying to solve a problem and get
information. Lately the purpose of our website has
changed, you want to share the information we’ve collected. but figuring out what the website is
supposed to do is the first big challenge and then the long process that for us involves writing about it, you know what’s this
writing down the story with narrative or the problems and then I have a huge
bulletin board in my office and once we get past the written story,
we start putting pictures up on the bulletin board and
moving them around, and eventually the pictures fall under
some kind of an order. That makes sense to everybody and our IT guy says I can make that work on
on a Web site, So there’s a long process it’s like
making a movie there’s a lot that goes into it before you start rolling the
film. So once you have a sense of okay,
these images are gonna go on this particular page and you’ve got a sense of
organization how do you decide where to break your
pages up? That’s something that a lot history day students who build web sites have to figure out, because the first thought
sometimes when they do a website is it looks like a paper on the website page where it’s all on one
and they figure out that they have to check it. How are some ways once you have a subset
that you build the page? Well I tend to think of something that
you write on a page is very flat and two-dimensional and a website can be
three-dimensional, you can have layers and our website is designed in layers so that people who want a quick
overview can enjoy the first layer of it, and then people who get curious and want
more information can click on images to get to the next layer
which is rich with information. People who continue to be
intrigued can move on to a third layer which is about
different ways of browsing groups of images into subjects. I think about it as layers. Obviously your specialty is photographs. when our students
encounter a photograph and they go this connects to my
project, can you talk a little bit about the kinds of questions they should ask themselves in looking at and
analyzing the photograph? Photographs can be really tricky and if you make a photograph
yourself and you know exactly when it went into making it, and on our website we are very
careful to show the photographs in as close to original state as
possible so people know they see in the photographers actual work almost every other image
these days especially digital ones you have to ask yourself where did this image come from and what’s been done to
it since it got online, and so those are very tricky. But looking at the thing
very carefully and figuring out whether it has been
edited, cropped whether colors have been altered,
things have been photoshopped in or out are all important to know about before
you decide to use an image as a piece evidence for an argument. Okay if I’m a student and I find a photograph what are the steps that I need to go
through so that I can responsibly and appropriately take that photograph let’s say from your
archive and put it in my website? Right well there are two basic things that every
photograph like that should happen with it, one of
them will be the name of the artist, the credit line to the artist, and the
other thing will be the owner of the copyright, or the owner of the image up. For the
Teenie Harris works we require that it credit Charles Teenie Harris as the
artist and then copyright Carnegie Museum of art is also necessary
those at the bare minimum. If you’re taking the image from a book or from another website then you also
need to give the bibliographical reference or the URL for the website and the date you
download it. So for NHD students they would
credit where the photograph appears but that also in their annotated
bibliographies at the end. Can you talk a little bit about how you
tell a story in a website? How you get your readers to go
understand who Teenie Harris was and what he did and why he was important? Okay well we try not to use a lot of
text the wonderful thing about website is
that you can tell a lot of stories simply with sequences
and combinations of images so we put a lot of attention into
making sure that our image sequences and relationships are
very very meaningful, and then we make sure that the the text
is minimal, but is sufficient to identify the
subject, the day and someone looking at the sequence,
the images in reading the text will be able to understand and see for
themselves what the connections are so we actually ask our users to do
quite a bit of thinking and creative work. As they go through the images we do not
use a lot of words and we try to leave space for users
to draw their own conclusions. One of the things that we see on NHD websites is that students will have a set of photographs. How do you know- this is a live tweet
question- how many images is a good number how many is too
many I want to put on any one page in the
website? This is a tough question because for me
at least personally the great thing about the
internet is that you can have thousands and
thousands images which was never possible before. So it’s a hard question for me
to answer I don’t know exactly what the scope at these pages are, so so I don’t have a good answer for
that one. Okay one of the issues that students sometimes will do
is pop a picture on their website without giving any
context can you talk a little bit about a good
way in a brief time out time, let’s say two to three sentences, how to give a photograph context said
that the viewer who hasn’t seen the original source and all of the other pictures that you
chose from would know what they need to know to
understand a photograph. Okay, you need a really good caption first of all, and secondly you need to explain the point
that may be selected, you selected this photograph because
it shows the following thing. Those are the two I think key things to
have. um with the Teenie Harris archives, where
it’s we try to explain a little bit about his life, a little bit about Pittsburgh, the city
he worked in, and a little bit about what a documentary
photographer was trying to do in the middle of the 20th century, so
there’s some historical background. there’s accurate caption and then your perspective are all I
think three different contexts and they’re all important. I think that perspective piece is really key. Our theme this year is rights
and responsibilities in history and if I could jump really quickly
to our Minnesota coordinators Sarah Aschbrenner. Can you talk just really briefly about
rights and responsibilities and in ways that a student could provide his, as Dr.
Lippincott said that historical interpretation or perspective with any document that they’re using in
their website. As related to the theme? Yes. I think that
what the key for really successfully use of the theme is more than
just using the words willy-nilly in a website but to really think fundamentally how the ideas
behind the thme connect your topic, and so I think that once you’ve come up with your
argument figuring out a way to weave rights and responsibilities in, that makes it even more effective and I think then what you’re gonna do is
look at those images, look at documents or newspaper
articles to see how they support your argument
because for a lot of History Day websites the
illustrations are more than just pretty, they need to be that evidence that you
need to support your thesis and so I have to encourage our students to
think of themselves as a a lawyer. A lawyer doesn’t just talk
in a courtroom, they bring in witnesses and in the case
of history, our witnesses might be photographs our witnesses might be newspaper
articles and so that’s the relationship I’d like them to
remember. Dr. Lippincott before we go to
our student questions, I’m getting some questions, please remember if you’re out there hash tag NHDhangout.
We’re excited to see your questions. Can you talk just a little bit about the
revision process? This is a challenge for all of our NHD
students. Can you talk about how you do it at the Carnegie Museum of Art and how
your web page has changed over time? It’s a brutal process. There is a constant feedback loop especially in the developmental phases. I
worked with our IT guy who talks about what’s possible in terms of technology. Our
Education Department has strong feelings about the best way to communicate with a
variety of different audiences We work with the panel of community
and academic advisors who make sure that
we get our facts straight and they will get the initial idea. They will see the storyboard, they will
look at a couple other early test versions of it and then we collect feedback from
the users, how many people visit the site? how many people come back to it? How
many contribute useful information to our archive and they’re often quite frank about what
we could do better and this Teenie Harris website is now ten-years-old and it has changed a lot and it is about to go through another
big change as we look for ways to incorporate our audio files which so far aren’t there. As we are getting ready to jump to
our first school, I have to ask a question that just came in on Twitter. Do you need to capture every
image from an archivist point of view what would you say to that? absolutely! yes if you
don’t have a caption if you don’t know enough about it to write a caption it shouldn’t be on there. Excellent okay at
this point in time I’m going to shift the focus to Our Lady of Mercy school in
California. We have some students there with some questions from Mr. Sato’s
class. *Hiiiiiii* Madi has the first question. what’s the best way to form enhance your own background? Mr. Sato, can you repeat the question
it didn’t come through clearly. she said what’s the best way to
enhance the home background. That’s a good
question and one other things our students have to figure out is how to
set a background that enhances what they’re
doing, it doesn’t distract from what they’re doing. Can you talk a little bit
about how you make those choices when you’re doing web design. We tried to keep our web design very
simple, and uncluttered because we wanted the
emphasis to be on the images themselves and not on all that
decoration surrounding them so we selected a very simple typeface we worked with two colors and we put most
of our energy into getting the best possible reproductions of the images themselves available because you really want the focus
to be on the content and not on the decoration. Excellent, what’s another question from
your class? This is Patricia. So I have this primary source document and I was wondering how you put it on the website because it’s paper and you scan it? That’s a good question
what are some way that a student finds something that’s original? It might be a piece of paper, it might be
something they found in their grandparents attic what are some good ways to create a
digital image that’s of a good quality. What are some options available to students? Well the two techniques we’ve used for
Teenie Harris have been scanning and digital photography and the bad news is that the better your
equipment, the better your sca, on and that’s that’s expensive, so again my emphasis would be on on getting
access to the best possible equipment you can. What you have at home
and in school these days is pretty good now and then just try it until you get it
right. And on some scans we
had to do it four or five times over again, and I recommend going
for a really good scan rather than trying to make a bad
one look good. So there’s lots of ways using digital
cameras, using scanners, sometimes depending on the document,using
photocopiers can give you a good basic scan. A lot of the time your teachers are pretty good at helping you they tend to be photocopy experts. let’s look at a question from earlier from Our Lady of Mercy.
This is from Geo and Emmie, in the same group. How can you tell if a picture is a primary source or secondary source? That’s a great question, that’s one
that we’ve got in before, when you find an image, how do you know
if its primary or secondary? well I think if you take a photograph out of your grandparents photo
album, that would be a primary source.
you’ll be the first person to use that image and its probably never been
published before. If you’re going to be scanning something
out of your history textbook that is secondary, so it’s really about
whether you’ve found this image and you’re using it in
its a basic form and not as it’s been
reprinted or re-used by someone else. It’s a great question. I still have one more
question from Our Lady of Mercy, and then we’re gonna shift to some of our high
school students, and this one is from Joshua. What would you call a great website? That’s a great question. I spend a lot of time on web sites
because there’s so useful and the website’s I
like the best are the ones that have the best information. There are an awful lot of web
sites with lots of opinions, lots of ideas and the
information is mehh, but the hardest thing to find on the web
for me is really good information that I can trust, and up and those are the websites I keep
going back to over and over and over again. Excellent, alright let’s shift just a moment to West Catholic High School in
Philadelphia what kinds of questions do you guys have for Dr. Lippincott? Okay I think we’ve got a couple
questions that hopefully we can get everyone to speak. Okay first question, is it okay to put the website in a different language if it is associated with our topic? Yeah. Yeah but yeah the more original language you have the better. I think that gets
again this is one of the things you can do on a Web site you can’t do with other different media, though it’s a great use of the
technology. You will have to make sure that there is a translation available
for those of us who only speak English I think it’s a really
powerful addition to a site. We’re starting to see more and more
sites bilingual for different reasons.
like we spoke with a teacher out in Nevada her students are working bilingually in Spanish and in English to learn and they’re doing they’re NHD
projects that way. I think we’ve got
one here, Rob: my question is how much focus should we put into the design of a website and if we put videos how long
should they be? Okay well lets talk about the design
questions over and I’ll talk about the videos. okay I’m as it is today I can’t stress
enough that the design should not interfere with the content The videos should be quick, you should be a strong editor. You show enough to make your point and
to represent the actual content, editing to
change the meaning isn’t okay, but I do find that on web sites people
have very short attention spans so you want to grab them with and
get the basic content across without too much of the stuff in the way. The NHD rule book is going to help you do
that you are going to be required to limit any video clips to 45 seconds what that means is its gonna force you
to choose the most important part I’ll give you one warning as a former an NHD
teacher, resist the urge if you have a ten
minute video clip to do 45sec thencut to the next 45
seconds then the next one and the next one can think about yourself as the viewer of
a website you’re not gonna sit and click through ten
video clips in a row. You want the two or three that are the most powerful and the most important. That’s right. One more question
from Monica in the back. what would you do for the website to grab attention …… to really grab the
attention of what you’re trying to promote in your
website is what their asking, especially on
the first page that’s something a lot of questions ask about what
should I put on there? what are some suggestions you might have
for our students? We often try to start off
with a call to action which is basically with us it’s “help us,” tell us about these images, help us make sense of this. Its an invitation to someone who’s just
entered the website to get involved, and we try to encourage
the user to be an active participant in the process and not just a passive click click click click click so we
like to start off with a call to action of some sort. Okay and that’s kind
of a great way for students to use their thesis statement, to make their point, to get your reader’s attention early. I
love these questions that are being tweeted in. Let’s go
ahead and bounce to Brownsburg high school in
Indiana and then we’ll take some of our live Twitter feed questions. Great okay well you’ve already answered quite a few of our questions so far but we do have one, our question is do
we need to include in text citations on our website? and can I put that question for a second
to Sarah, our coordinator in Minnesota. Hi there sorry I had to leave, we had an actual fire alarm, and wind chill -17 outside right now I am very glad to be back
inside. As far as in text citations on the website I think that on at the better a method would be to include
those credits and so when you’re using an image you’re
using a video file are struggling you are
crediting where that comes from your full citation is going to be in
your bibliography which once again it has to be on your website as well axle to the
azure citing information as it comes but then the full information on the pole
citations going annotated bibliography at the end ok what other questions do you guys have
an Indiana well we had quite a few but I think you
can’t read the majority of them so I don’t think we have any at this time
okay we might jump back to you if you can’t
give any I get our attention I one question that came in earlier was what makes you doctor the cat spend time
on a Web site verses kind of brush by it and move on
to something out what gets your attention when you’re surfing the web %uh as they say good information and lots other on so I love photo archives I love %uh anything that has original material on right now I’m working on a project
involving baseball on so think so I’m using a lot %uh farm sports %uh acts interestingly enough the things
that interest the a fantasy guys don’t help me with my
cataloging a photographs so I’m its good information arm presented in a very simple
straightforward way on I’m usually not looking at web sites
for new ideas arm I’m really looking at them for Optra
information on and lots of it great depths I i’m not the best I like archives but
here’s a question that just came in on the Twitter feed and I’m gonna ask years question actually in about a tear
what are some ways that you make your website interactive with the viewer on the most important is that we actually
with every image we provide to you visitors um opportunities to tell us
about the images and on whether it’s through um email or some
other way out and getting information to us directly
and on what’s been important to these people
is not just a b-day send us information but they left see it
then reflected on the website a week later and we promise people he
said this new information will get it up in a week and um that’s been critical wean media audio recordings we also try
it we’re going to be putting those on as well experts there can you give fashion some
suggestions of ways that make their web sites more interactive to their judges
but also to anybody who’s going to view it yeah I think that for history students
we don’t have the opportunity to you act create a dialogue so much with the History Day website just given up
RAM in urs out that the category out what I think it’s been effective is
when I see students I’m using the Website more than just on an exhibit on the computer and I
think that they can do that through on video or you know this temple active being
able to complete on a newspaper article have it blow-up then I can actually read
it I love it I think it that’s 1 I’ve seen
some really effective stopped fifty now not just putting on there again to be
pretty but putting on there is evidence I’m
sometimes students fall into the trap I love outputting things that are sort of fun
and games on there and thinking that their interactive so they put a crossword puzzle a word search and I don’t think I think that kind of
misses the point on and so I would I would shy away from
that sort of stuff as interactive L 10th excellent here’s another question
from Twitter a student asked how do you show
continuity within a web site with while avoiding repetition without
making every page look like the last page I’ll go to church that you might have
doctor robin cotton who have that’s that’s a good one our
own I think that arm if you’re different one thing is is a
few different pages have different functions they can look different on the dudes the
design it each page should digits adapted to the content you’re trying to deliver on
that page so the teenie Harris we have a couple have
she colors but we use those colors in different ways to guide people through
the website for example on format %uh you know images a certain size
information a certain size you know big letters are important things small others are less important I’m and
it can be very simple and it and keeping it consistent can be
really helpful to the user exc cares anymore questions coming in
for giving am looking at to computer screens at the same time Wow should just asked check you directly
state your purpose your argument your thesis statement I’m what are some ways you can help guy
to return under shaking exactly the point of view that you’re
trying to make what kinda suggestions what you have for that stick I think a couple a strong opening
statements at the beginning at the website are really important I’m we try and never to have more than
two or three sentences at most because people don’t like to be
on the web at least that our experience
they want to get right into whatever it is you’ve got so a couple a strong statements arm or question I’m lil will get people
going okay here’s another question should i
put music on my website and its shell if I cared for peace music
should I keep it running what would you say from a web viewer’s
perspective music can really add us sewage element to any series a visual images I
mean it’s time based so suddenly you’re committed to a certain length of time
for people to hear this music can create a mood it can suggest
historical time period historical moment %uh leave used them in combination with
images got people in tears are with this kind of a
combination it can be very powerful it has to be
historically appropriate on and you have to remember that a piece
of music that really emerged you the website developer might not have
the same impact on everyone else who it’s going to look
at your website so it would be very very careful how you
choose it but like the idea working with a different
language it can just provided important on experience for the web user that you
can’t get any other format okay up here’s a question that came in
about functions we always say this in your
truck should be readable what are some things that would make a
fine difficult to read it for a viewer on a website that might be
different than if I printed it out on a piece of paper colors contrast size a tight and style f-type I’m redoing of a lot with thoughts here at
the museum we discovered that anything that’s very very fancy order in just enough very very simple are people get really tired of reading
does really quickly on so I would say stay away from the
extremes on if you’re working on it historical
period it can be fund to find up a font that was invented
at the same time as the period you’re studying and you can also use maybe one or two
different fonts to for different parts up the website or
to distinguish different aspect that you know if you’re going to
quote an 18th century writer you might want to use an 18th century
typeface and then your ideas could going to get much more
modern typeface excellent I actually have a hangout
question I’m going to pass to Sarah the question is if they’re should
identify making an argument should I address the counter-argument to
that or should I just leave that by the siding go with my point of view what advice would you give the state I
think if you look at the actual history day after judging criteria as I flipped back in
here on at see here I think they’re if you’re
even addressing balance and perspectives in your
research and so i think you may end up needing to acknowledge that counter-argument I am but I don’t think that year you’re
going to spend your time disproving it here going to provide a
wealth of evidence in supportive yours but you really only
have your 1200 student compose words here website and sell the bulk up your words were
probably be dedicated to creating your own argument rather than addressing the
counter-argument except that also connects to another
question that came in and the question was doctor the
corrections are limited to 1200 student created works so if they were to choose let’s say a
primary search quote from a newspaper article that would account but that there were is that
they’re creating their argument and the suit asks do I have to use all 1200
words I what advice would you give this state
my advice to this student and all the students is to use as few words as possible on and soak did don’t feel obliged to
the place to get away from has a lot of times we shouldn’t start
writing there to go up those 1200 words very quickly what would be some
suggestions you would give them in order to edit their words and still make their
point well I’m I found that the best way to use the words you’re
allowed is to create a sort of position statement at the
beginning I’ve the website saying here’s what this
is about here’s what you need to know to go to
the material I’m presenting present the material with that captions enough nope order and a format so that someone has scrolling through
under cooking through it just through the sequence of activities
will get the story and then provide some kind of conclusion
a question or personal statement about it again at the
and arm but the fun thing about the website says
you’ve got the visual images you’ve got the sound you’ve got the voices on use those work effectively use those the more
convincing and powerful the site will be okay here’s another Twitter question I’m
the student as how do you ballots between words and media so pictures or videos or music or links
what suggestions in a good one page a website what kinda suggestions would you give
students for balancing book I would give primacy to the images sign
this settled cliche they’re worth a thousand words I think that’s true I’ll and are and and use words to support the
story the images tell so when we did our
website when we do our exhibitions from the website most of our energy goes into selecting
the images and the words follow on in terms at the
at the actual presentation trees but lot of words preparing and planning and thinking
about it the big effort then goes into selecting
the exact images that tell the story and down after we’ve got the images
selected be at the text in the text is all those
supporting the story in the images K here’s a question that
just came in a student asked should I use bullet points or sentences can you talk about some ways that it
shouldn’t could use bullet points effectively in text and sometimes when they might want to
use full sentences bullet points can get a bunch of ideas
across really really quickly and efficiently and they don’t require a
whole lot of concentration or reading and so if you just want to
give people the bear basic minimums by all means his bullet
points arm senses you can use to give 22 discuss ideas that are our little
more complicated oMG where your choice of words you’re
cramming your syntax will actually affect the meaning and the way people
understand on okay here’s another great question
that just came in com should I make my website in black
and white or in color and I think that’s a question that
students do ask in the next question is what color should I use but could you talk about some things
that are effective to use black and white and sometimes when you might want
to use more color if you’re a rigid to exit images in
visual material you working with is it was originally in black and white in better stick with that on but your
surrounding colors in your training collars and your your interventions could then
be ’em a bright color you can use color to
help people understand what’s original what’s new what’s yours on so I would
say if your images material and color use that color on and then make sure
that the colors you add to the website support and complement the original
material you always want the original material to look past arm and you don’t want your
other aspects of your website over Parliament
okay here’s a question that a balance to Sarah I’ve student asked do captions count
towards the word count could you explain this is what counts towards that 1200
words student created word count: and what would not take I’ll you’re
looking at the student created work counts I we are counting I it what is your I really your interpretation and cell
that’s going to count both attacks you right and paragraphs are bullet points I am as
well as captions now what doesn’t count our credits and that’s what we were
talking about where your giving the attribution to wear something
came from so if you’re saying that the photo was from the Minnesota
Historical Society that I kinda but if you’re explaining
how this political cartooning demonstrates some greater principal that is going to
tighten their workouts I at as a weird caveat for the website
category I your menus don’t count cell here
titles on each page don’t actually count your workout
because then we have to count it for every page in that deep quite
problematic cell are those are gonna bigger pictures
but as far as I’m kinda keeping in mind to think about
what you’re writing and what’s your interpretation verses what what really
is sucks and I now here’s a question lasted
ask today really keeps counts the words says there could you
tell us today really care afterwards I will honestly
admit that every time I judge a website I copy the words patient or document and I do a workout I
think it’s an important role I’m and it’s a fairness issue so this
judge does I axle in thank you up here’s one more
question from Twitter student-athlete here work being with the topic that has some
content that people might find objectionable so for you example if you’re looking at
something that has an image that images that might be violent in one form or another how do you choose what kinds of images to use and what
kinda images to maybe see not I don’t really wanna put this in my website that
I don’t need to show this doctor because what suggestions would you give this
dude I’m scientific question my friends at
any age can you hear I just lost my audio how many couldn’t
hear you there can you hear me now yes okay I got muted
all the sudden I’m so the question was about violent or
difficult imagery and when do you use that and when not on some stories require that you use it %uh we’ve had are we had simply had to
interesting situations with the team has archive
where we have photos murders I’ll be there cases where there’ve been
photos of lynchings and other things that are just terrible to look at
if it is absolutely necessary to your story
include the photograph if it is not necessary to your story but if you think it might shock people
into looking for their I would say don’t use it um if it’s
necessary to the story then people will accept it you have to
be very careful about how you caption it and the context to show it and because
these photographs can be if very interesting to some people and very
offensive or disturbing to others K I have a question for miss you didn’t
they just came in it said okay I’m working on a topic where photographs
and even paintings are scarce what suggestions right you give that
soon after finding imagery and here she could use in their
website honey Crestor topics I scares older topics who I’m well there’s a lot everything is on the Internet %uh I do
an awful lot of visual research on the internet and some at these sites will
allow you to download prints maps paintings photographs you
name it on you know the library of congress
website is an incredible resource for visual materials i’m for example so I i wouldst the
Internet is a really good source you have to be careful how you use the
images on but it is possible on the other
option is to take your digital camera and photographed things yourself on if depending on your subject matter
excellent out we have about two more minutes for
questions are there any students in any of our classrooms you have a question
they’ve come up with a few have won just raise your hand this is a no go ahead hi hank I’ll being be judged as well my question is estate AB Serian
Minnesota and biking Alexander baking pan but how long should
we head page be good i’ve seen webpages go on
and on and on then you go to the next section and you
click on it and it goes on and on and on and i knowi
I know arm the patent about warm mall or he also talked about he it he precise though as far as well what the judges
look over in terms of each eighty I know we talked about not but this for my students say you know
what there are certain great you you know get per ager the
design team I think for me ion can yet her went okay I I think that for me as a judge I don’t
wanna see the students having done some thoughtful
at any can sell I don’t wanna scrawl and scrawling scrawl Ange and ch their entire bibliography
represented on the website I thinks that on a page the most effective ones I’ve seen have
maybe been like to screams worse as you scroll because I
think a at some point the student needs to
divide it up create a new page or simply just pick you up bashed evidence and not put
all of the evidence on a webpage I’m sometimes too much
information I in a 1200 word website is on the student gets lost in there and sell
their own argument in their own analysis becomes overwhelmed with pictures and
quotes and clicks angst cell I think I do it buys a
bit adding on their part thank you excellent at any more questions from our
lives shouldn’t speech its me West Catholic got hacked got one are ok this status for asking earlier about if they
wanted to do heart love their page in another
language Grafix with like the word count: in like because what the topic that their doing it’s a comparison like French or Spanish
in English in they thought it would be interesting to
think show that does that count towards the word count:
especially if like let’s they won every take something do
they lose anything in that for earlier I’m and the answer that I was given was that is
a direct translation is major let’s say there is one paragraph in Spanish matched up
exactly with the translation in English it would only count walks and English
version would counts %ah this is one of those things where I
would suggest to the students wear kinda echoing what Sarah said and what actually
because at this is where everything comes in decide what’s most important decide what
we really need to see and then to use the tricks and the
techniques the doctor looking cut talks about to make that happen to make it clear at what we need to see
and what really you’re point ish and putting this document at
this particular what what you’d like us to see Brownsburg do you have any other
questions I don’t want to ask not give you a chance to go ahead yes reindeer I’m should we assume that
our website and fewer will be you aren’t Adams in order or sure you make it’s a bar
tabs and isolated page information that you don’t
necessarily need to visit the tax for four to understand what’s on the page okay let’s ask that
both to our expert and also to our coordinator protector Lippincott
what would you say when you build a website do you assume that your readers will go
in some sort of a logical order or do you build pages separately we assume they’re going to do anything
they feel like I’m and so they tried to make um lead we we we don’t we assume that
they will not follow directions and that they will hit up on the sub subjects are
interested in and it nor the stuff they’re not so we are on pretty much random access
in terms of the way we think about our web pages okay Sarah what would you tell the stick well
yesterday website is slightly unique in that the judges I are going to have to talk to at some
point and hopefully they will have looked at every ago web page that thou parish make ask a
good question on and so obviously we’re they’re given
the URL of your home page accel we have to crash chartres rare from my own personal viewing habits I
tend to follow along you know and I attended to move in order
but I’m not guarantee to style why when I
would guarantee and then clicking through perfectly sequentially I wouldn’t also worried that they are
not going to visit her website I can check your judges are going to be
pretty good about looking at a website at all excellent why have to sadly very
impressed with the left our questions both from our lives students and from
our Twitter feed and it pissed when I would like to thank
doctor Lippincott for spending her time this evening and talking with us and
engaging with our students and answering lots of questions from all different
kinds of places she and I’ll be happy I love National
History Day I’ll we we’re very very excited we ran
our contests either students are starting to be at their school at their
regional %uh the seat and nearly eight contests
are coming out and we’re planning for our national contest which starts June
15 College Park at this point I’m gonna
turn our hangout over to carry it any cheaper conclusion keep many thanks again to all our guests and
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