debunking prophets — part one [cc]


In a reported exchange with a theologian,
biologist John Haldane was asked: ‘What inference might one draw about
the nature of God from a study of his works?’ Haldane replied, ‘An inordinate fondness for beetles.’ — referencing the fact insects
are the most abundant animal group and there are more kinds of beetle
than any other insect. Haldane’s reply might seem facetious, but
it makes a serious point: trying to infer the nature of supposed gods by studying the universe leads to random nonsense. Imagine an unknown artist produces a work of art. What can we conclude about
the artist from the artwork? Well, in order to know something about the artist,
we have to correctly interpret the artwork. If we use our own personal interpretations,
we’ll just be learning about ourselves, not the artist. The problem becomes clear. To correctly interpret the artwork,
we have to know something about the artist. We’re stuck in a loop. To know about one
thing we need information about the other. Likewise, if we hypothesise that the universe
has some mysterious creator then to know something about that creator,
we would have to correctly interpret its creation. But that demands we first know
something about the creator. Without any of this information, all we have
are the wild speculations Haldane alludes to. For every observed fact about the universe like the number or beetles, or the number of stars if we presuppose the existence
of some creator that intended it to be that way when we try to speculate on what those
intentions might’ve been there are just too many conceivable interpretations. For example, take the fact that countless animals
die in fear and agony every day mostly tofeed other animals. Does that mean this hypothesised creator
is a sadist that enjoys bloodsports? Or a detached experimenter,
observing this suffering without emotion? Or a breeder, throwing life forms into deadly competition with each other to breed the ultimate organism? Is this creator just some cosmic pyrotechnician that sees the universe as a giant fireworks display and views the lifeforms that fleetingly exist
among the sparks as nothing more than bacteria? Or could it be unaware that these animals even exist? Could it even be unaware that the universe exists? What if the universe was merely the unintended byproduct of a completely different creation? Without any indication of intended purpose to all this suffering, we’re stuck in endless conjecture. Wild as these speculations are,
they’re at least logically coherent. Concepts of creators that are sadistic or simply unaware of our suffering might not inspire or uplift us but they are consistent with the ruthless gladiatorial animal world in which we find ourselves. This is in striking contrast to the self-contradicting
divine concepts found within organised religion. Bizarre concepts like all-merciful gods that
shun children born outside of marriage, along along with all their offspring
down to the tenth generation or that vow to brand the noses of folks
who dismiss its existence as a fairytale. Mercy is defined as compassion or forgiveness towards someone we have the power to punish or harm. Vengeful gods that condemn people for natural scepticism or for the circumstances of their birth are by definition not all-merciful. It’s no surprise that the logically coherent
concepts and the self-contradictory concepts were generated by very different processes. While the coherent ones were inferred,
the contradictory ones were merely asserted confidently, forcefully stated as the truth by people called ‘prophets’ who make
the most extravagant claim — a claim of access to special knowledge,
denied to the rest of us — knowledge imparted through
unverifiable mystical revelations. These are the human beings
who design the world’s religions the storytellers who generate all the unsubstantiated, contradictory detail we hear about gods — the detailed rituals, the detailed mythical histories,
the detailed lists of bizarre, unjust laws. Without prophets, our thoughts about gods
would be as shapeless and detached as our thoughts about pixies or elves — and would
arouse just as little conflict and division. Instead, throughout history, prophets have provoked hostilities with the same supremacist message condemning those who don’t believe
their stories as a subhuman underclass and commending followers as the chosen elite. I want to look at a handful of prophets — some obscure, some famous — and explore the holes in their stories. But first, a brief word about self-reflection. Bogus ideologies of all kinds — religious, political, economic, social — can hook us in by force. Examples range from childhood indoctrination
to forcible ideological conversion in prisons. But sometimes we get hooked in because
of some unfulfilled need within us. It could be a need to feel secure,
to feel superior, to achieve social change or something more ambitious like
a need to believe in an afterlife. Sometimes, when a bogus ideology comes along
that promises to satisfy these needs we’re so focussed on getting our needs met
that we don’t bother to properly examine that ideology. And just like a hungry fish that doesn’t
examine the hook before biting, we get reeled in. Immunising ourselves against manipulation
begins with reflecting on our own needs and finding healthy ways to meet them. When we do that, we might even find
that some of our needs are false. For instance, we might find we don’t actually need to
feel superior, or to believe in an afterlife. In the first of five examples of bogus prophets I want to show what we stand to lose
when we entrust our needs to these individuals. Dorothy Martin led a small UFO religious group that achieved a measure of publicity in the US when she claimed that ‘superior beings’
from a planet called ‘Clarion’ had predicted an apocalyptic flood, before
the dawn of the 21st of December 1954. Her particular stunt was automatic writing — scribbling messages with a pencil and
claiming her hand had been guided by spirits. Her first message — a letter from her dead father to her mother about planting flowers in the spring — wasn’t well received. Her mother told her
to stop inflicting this upsetting nonsense on her. But soon Dorothy was claiming to
scribble messages from spiritual beings from unknown planets called Clarion and Cerus. One spirit, called ‘Sananda’, was later identified
as the Christian Messiah, Jesus. Dorothy herself later claimed to be his mother, Mary. The Sananda messages were often
phrased in archaic English typical of the King James Bible,
using terms like ‘thee’ and ‘thou’. No one questioned why Jesus would communicate with 20th-century Americans using 17th-century English. Would we communicate with 20th-century
Germans using 17th-century German? This archaic language made no sense whatsoever coming from such an immeasurably wise being. But it made perfect sense
coming from a fraudulent prophet who wanted her phoney messages to sound
Biblically grand, profound and authoritative. Like the Bible, Dorothy’s messages discouraged thinking, which she claimed had ‘no advantage’. Instead, she advocated ‘inner knowing’, which she said was achieved by believing the creator’s words. Here, I’ll repeat one of life’s rules which could well be enough by itself
to immunise us from prophets: People who don’t want you to think
are never your friend. Whatever the context — religion, politics, education
— not thinking opens us up to all kinds of abuse. Dorothy’s public announcement of the end of the world attracted over thirty followers with eight described as heavily committed. In addition, some observers recruited by psychologist Leon Festinger and his colleagues infiltrated the group to record its activities. In a surprise development, one follower — a former beautician called Bertha Blatsky — claimed she could channel Sananda too, with her voice. Festinger’s observers described
a faltering first performance reporting that ‘empty phrases,
tediously repeated, came from her mouth’. But Bertha soon got her act together. In the next meeting, she upgraded herself
from Sananda to ‘the Creator’. And, speaking as ‘the Creator’ she proclaimed herself to be ‘the greatest prophet
…. who ever was or ever will be’. Her authority was undermined
when, in her ‘Creator’ persona she tried to demand an obligatory group meeting but was forced to reschedule
by a member who couldn’t make it. Imagine, the creator of the universe having
to bow to human availability. In a later meeting, she further asserted herself. Speaking as the Creator, she ridiculed the archaic English of Dorothy’s messages dismissing words like ‘thee’, ‘thou’
and ‘shalt’ as a waste of time. She belittled Dorothy’s Sananda’s character and dismissed his supposed message
about Dorothy being Mary. And Bertha dismantled other ideas and practices
Dorothy had established, like the value of fasting. Bertha enjoyed her food. Dorothy must’ve realised the problem. She’d previously told the group that a spirit message
had confirmed Bertha’s leadership role. If she denounced Bertha as a fake,
that would undermine her own claims. She’d failed to appreciate
a basic principle of prophethood. Prophets are lone wolves. They seek to establish their own vision
and don’t play well with others of their kind — not even when they’re claiming to represent the same gods. The two women were locked in an awkward alliance. But whatever their differences, while
channelling their respective mythical entities both women urged group members
to make significant sacrifices — including quitting jobs and neglecting sick relatives. Members also drove for miles
to witness UFO landings and alien visitations predicted by Dorothy that never materialised. These futile exercises were explained as spiritual trials. In everyday terms, waiting for something
that’ll never happen is called ‘wasting life’. Prophets present it as a noble struggle
called ‘testing faith’. Finally, the 21st of December arrived. The group was told it would be taken up in a flying saucer before the flood killed the rest of humanity. They cut all the metal from their clothes,
including zips and bra straps which they were told would produce burns
during space flight — and waited. After several uneventful hours Dorothy scribbled a message saying
the Creator had cancelled the apocalypse — supposedly because their little group
had generated a force of good not seen since the beginning of time on Earth. It was a laughable explanation. One prominent, committed member,
Dr. Thomas Armstrong had explicitly stated he wasn’t
interested in saving the world. Two other members — Cleo and Kitty — were heard concocting vengeful
‘fantasies of violent destruction’ and anticipating ‘having the last laugh’
as the non-believers drowned. This was plainly not an unrivalled force of good. Nonetheless, the group swallowed
Dorothy’s implausible message. Aside from just one member who departed,
the rest were described as jubilant. Their commitment strengthened. The fact that their faith was reinforced
by a failed prophecy might seem absurd to us. But we’re looking at it from the outside with zero personal investment. Dorothy’s followers invested everything. They lost jobs, savings and property. They neglected relatives,
ended relationships, even shredded their own clothes. Get people to make sacrifices for a person or a cause and they’ll instinctively try to justify those sacrifices. The bigger the sacrifice, the greater the need to justify it. Dorothy’s followers had to cling
to the idea they’d saved the planet. The alternative was unthinkable. This UFO religious group is a wake up call for the rest of us to look at the sacrifices
we make for the groups we belong to – not just religious groups,
but political and social groups. Sacrifices of time, money, education,
career, relationships, integrity, freedom. What implausible stories might we accept without
question to justify our investment in these groups? Faced with evidence of deception in
our own groups, would we listen? Could we admit to being deceived? Or, like Dorothy’s followers, would we
find ways to deny reality? To admit we’ve invested
in a bogus cause takes courage. To give it up and walk away takes strength. But to remain in denial could
cost us everything we have. In her thirst for esoteric knowledge,
Dorothy Martin once joined a ‘Dianetics’ group. Dianetics was a commercial self-improvement
pseudoscience based on a process called ‘auditing’ in which people respond to various
questions and commands. It was popular in the US just after World War II
and formed the basis of Scientology. Its inventor, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, claimed
it cleared the human mind of trauma. In this state of ‘Clear’, people were
claimed to gain remarkable powers including total recall and mastery over all illness. Lafayette told his literary agent Forry Ackerman that
he’d died on an operating table during the war. Rising up in spirit form, he’d wafted
incorporeally through a great ornate gate. On the other side, he’d found
an intellectual smorgasbord — the answer to everything that had ever
puzzled the human mind. Like a sponge, he absorbed this esoteric information. Lafayette claimed he’d been
given a message for humanity and over the next two days,
he recorded it in a manuscript called ‘Excalibur’ — but claimed that whoever read it either
went insane or committed suicide. On the grounds that it was ‘too potent’, Lafayette planned instead to publish it in diluted form. The result was his book Dianetics. He proclaimed it ‘a milestone for man
comparable to his discovery of fire and superior to his inventions
of the wheel and the arch’ and told one of his wives that he had high hopes
of smashing his name ‘so violently into history’ that it would ‘take a legendary form
even if all books were destroyed’. But in August 1950, his confidence was dented
by an incident at the Shrine Auditorium recorded by journalist Russell Miller
in his book ‘Bare-faced Messiah’. Riding high on the sales of his Dianetics book,
Lafayette announced the world’s first ‘Clear’ — a woman claimed to possess fantastic powers including ‘full and perfect recall of every moment of her life’. With the words ‘Will you come out now please, Sonya?’ he invited physics major Sonya Bianca
on stage to huge applause. She gave a speech in praise of Dianetics. But the audience didn’t want speeches. They began shouting questions
to test her perfect memory. What did she have for breakfast on
a specific date years ago? Could she recite passages from the Dianetics book? At one point, when Lafayette was facing away from her she was asked what colour tie he was wearing. She had no answers. She couldn’t even remember simple physics formulas. Audience members began laughing and walking out. Instead of opting for a conventional excuse
like stage fright Lafayette claimed bizarrely that by using
the word ‘now’ when he’d asked her to come out he’d frozen Sonya in ‘present time’, blocking her memory. A power you could neutralise with a three-letter word didn’t seem quite so remarkable. Her total recall was a total sham. And, based on his other claim of mastery over illness Lafayette was accused
of practicing unlicensed medicine. Within a couple of years, Dianetics
had morphed into Scientology with Lafayette repackaging his
pseudoscience as a religion. He brought machines similar
to lie-detectors called e-meters into the auditing process to check subjects’ reactions. And asking for proof was declared
a suppressive act, a punishable crime. Lafayette now brandished the prophet’s
weapon of choice: blasphemy laws. When individuals or groups start to shut down
and prohibit criticism and challenge it’s about the biggest possible warning sign
— in any context. Religion. Politics. Education. It signals the onset of totalitarian systems. Stick around and you can
wave goodbye to successive freedoms. And with each freedom you give up, you can watch yourself regress into a powerless, compliant child. Former Scientologist and author Jon Atack
has noted how members were bullied berated, pushed around, and had
their self-control taken from them. Fortunately, his own instinct when shouted at was
to shout back — not realising he wasn’t meant to. This adult defiance seems to have been a key factor
in his resistance to the group’s undue influence. In over 60 years, Scientologists have failed
to demonstrate a single case of total recall, mastery over illness or any other ability. But, unable to ask for proof thousands of members have
collectively paid untold millions of dollars, putting themselves through untold hours of auditing in the hope of gaining the elusive state of ‘clear’. Decades after it was written the supposedly lethal Excalibur manuscript
was unearthed by Lafayette’s staff. His household manager,
Gerry Armstrong reported that he managed to read it
without going insane or dying. Accompanying documents also revealed that there
was no operating table death episode. Lafayette’s revelation was a hallucination induced by nitrous oxide
inhaled during a tooth extraction. Mormonism was conceived in the 1820s by
a young American called Joseph Smith who claimed an angel called Moroni had told him about
a book of golden plates buried in a nearby hill along with two special stones called
Urim and Thummim. Joseph enlisted a wealthy farmer called Martin Harris to participate in the bizarre process
of translating the plates which were claimed to be
an extension of the Christian Bible. Joseph would put the stones in a hat, and
hold the hat to his face, blocking out the light. He claimed passages of text
would then appear before his eyes which he would dictate for Martin to transcribe. Joseph always kept the plates hidden. Sometimes a blanket or curtain
would be hung between him and Martin. Magic stones were nothing new for Joseph. Before venturing into the prophet business,
he’d tried his hand at money-digging. Using exactly the same stone-in-a-hat routine, he
claimed he could detect buried treasure. In those times, buried treasure was
often thought to be enchanted. Some believed that if forbidden treasure was unearthed, the spirits could make it sink down again out of reach. Money-diggers could pretend to dig up treasure then claim the treasure had been reclaimed by spirits — and still pocket their fee. Martin Harris’s wife Lucy didn’t
believe the gold plates story. To appease her concerns Martin asked Joseph if he could show her
the 116 pages they’d so far produced. Joseph later told him that their god,
Elohim, had denied his request. But Martin kept asking and after his third request Joseph said Elohim had granted permission to show
the pages to his wife and a few relatives. Martin took the pages
and showed Lucy and several others. Then the pages were stolen. If the golden plates story had been true,
losing the pages would’ve been a very minor setback. It wasn’t as if they contained top secret material. It was a new Christian testament — supposedly a divine message intended for everyone. What did it matter if some thief
or thieves got a sneak preview? The only real problem would be having
to translate the golden plates all over again repeating work already done. There’d certainly be no reason to panic. But if the story was false and Joseph had made the whole thing up losing the pages would be a catastrophe. And that was exactly how Joseph reacted. According to his mother,
on hearing this news Joseph wept and groaned and
cried out repeatedly that all was lost. With no master template to work from the lost pages couldn’t be reproduced. If he tried to dictate them from memory Martin Harris was bound to notice inconsistencies. In addition, the thief or thieves
could produce the stolen pages at any time after the book was published
and show the translations didn’t match. After a period of reflection Joseph announced that Elohim
had instructed him not to go back and translate what he’d already translated. He said Elohim had told him that the thieves
had altered the stolen pages so that if Joseph tried to replace them the thieves would use their false version
to claim he’d contradicted himself. People would then turn against Joseph. He claimed Elohim just wanted him
to carry on where he’d left off. It was a story full of holes. Problem one, there was no scenario in which
it was in the thieves’ interest to alter the stolen pages. If they believed Joseph had made the whole thing up then they’d be expecting his second
translation not to match their stolen copy. Altering their copy would be the last thing
on their minds. Alternatively, if the thieves believed Joseph
could produce another perfect copy that meant they either believed
his magical golden plates story — in which case, they believed
they were up against Elohim himself — or they believed Joseph had some
other master version to refer to. If Joseph had a master copy, altering the
stolen pages would be pointless and risky. Pointless because Joseph could
reproduce endless copies of the 116 pages to prove he wasn’t just
making the textup as he went along. Risky because when the new pages
were compared with the stolen pages the portions the thieves had altered
would come under special scrutiny being the only parts that differed. Any sign of tampering would only
strengthen Joseph’s position. Altering the pages made no sense. Problem two, an all-knowing Elohim would’ve
known all along that the pages would be stolen, and that Joseph would ultimately
not translate them again. The supposed authors of the golden plates were the prophet Mormon and his son, Moroni, who had
visited Joseph in angelic form. So, Elohim watched silently as the equivalent
of 116 pages of English text was laboriously engraved in gold, all for nothing. Problem three, the omnipotent Elohim
is portrayed as strikingly impotent. He can arrange angelic visitations reveal the secret whereabouts of magical golden plates make text magically appear through a stone in a hat. But can’t locate some bits of paper, or tell Joseph
who stole them, or magically destroy them — any of which could remove
the threat against Joseph and restore the value of
Mormon and Moroni’s hard work. Astounding how useless the gods suddenly become
the moment any practical help’s required. Problem four. Elohim seems aware of how damaging
it is to have his prophets suspected of deceit. So why did he choose Joseph Smith as a prophet — knowing his future deceit would become
a matter of public knowledge? When Joseph’s Book of Mormon was eventually
published, it contained some troubling problems. One example was a passage copied verbatim
from the King James Bible. The trouble wasn’t just that it was an exact copy.
It was that both versions contained the same error. The authors of the Kings James Bible
had written ‘seraphims’ instead of ‘seraphim’. Just as cherubim is the plural of cherub,
seraphim is the plural of seraph. If Joseph was translating from the
golden plates, how could this happen? One Mormon apologist suggested that when the
handwritten manuscript went to the printers the typesetter might’ve noticed that the
passage was from the Biblical book of Isaiah and decided to work from the printed
King James version to ‘ease his task’. But that’s not a workable solution. On reading this suggestion I did some research to see if Joseph’s original
handwritten manuscript was available. It was. And it contained the erroneous ‘seraphims’. The Book of Mormon contained
a stack of similarly damning problems. But there was worse to come. In the mid-1830s some Egyptian papyri unearthed around 1820
came into Joseph’s possession. From them, he produced The Book of Abraham commonly considered the most important text in
a Mormon canon called the ‘Pearl of Great Price’. But it was later discovered that the papyri were
actually just standard Egyptian funerary texts like the Book of the Dead and Books of Breathing. They had nothing whatsoever to do with Abraham. Joseph’s translation was an unequivocal fraud. In their concern to impress
the people of their own time bogus prophets often exhibit great short-sightedness. It seems Joseph Smith had no inkling of
the huge strides that would soon be made in the translation of Egyptian hieroglyphics. How have Mormons responded to this
irrefutable deception by their prophet? Some have minimised the deception, characterising it
as a sincere but misguided invention. Some have downplayed the book’s significance
because it wasn’t translated from the golden plates. Some have suggested the papyri could be legitimately
read as both an ancient funerary text and the Book of Abraham — even though they can’t
map the Book of Abraham onto the hieroglyphics. Some have suggested the papyri merely provided ‘an occasion for meditation, reflection, and revelation’ in which Elohim revealed
the life of Abraham to Joseph without direct correlation
to the characters on the papyri. Earlier I asked a question about the implausible stories we might
find ourselves accepting without question. In these denials and evasions we see human minds determined to protect
themselves from a profoundly painful fact. As with Dorothy Martin’s followers their personal investment has made the truth of
their prophet’s deceit literally unthinkable. In the concluding half of this two-part series,
I’ll be looking at two more famous prophets, and drawing together some observations on
all of these undeserving oracles.

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  • Can't believe I've been waiting two months for part 2

  • The great new religion of the 20th Century was Marxism and Culture Marxism (Lenin, Hegel, critical theory, Nietzsche, deconstructionism, radial feminism etc..)
    Would I be a friend if I didn't want my friends to get involved in that toxic sludge? You bet.
    And secularism drove the tragedy of the 20th Century – over a hundred million dead. The age of the priest and monarch were over, now it was the age of the ideologue,
    the new religion.

  • how many people hover their mouse over the time bar to make the little dude bounce up and down?

  • If I were to ask different people who know you personally to give an accurate explanation/description of who you are, your attributes, character, etc., do you think they would all have the same answers? If they contradict each other, would that negate your existence in anyway? Is there only 1 correct interpretation of who you are from the perspective of your friends and family? Can't we have private personal relationships with other people? Can one person know things about you that others don't? Can the people who know you best be wrong about you at times? Why do we assume that God should be held to lesser/simpler standards than ourselves? Wouldn't a more complex being/entity/force be even more difficult to interpret correctly and consistently between people who have a personal relationship with him/her/it? Just something to think about in case you haven't already.✌😘

  • I feel like a broken record by keep telling you that I am learning a lot and hope you continue your work.

  • Thx for some critical Honesty!

  • Oh… I got a scientology ad before this vid. Feels like I woke up in the wrong cinema.

  • Wealth of knowledge and insight forces me to watch your uploads multiple times.

  • Very good logic and presentation. Bravo!

  • I was sooo hoping you'd bring up the horse thing in the Book of Mormon too, that fact always makes me laugh.

  • At around 4 minutes in, the prophet image is t-posing to assert his dominance. But, it seems dominance isn't the only thing the prophet is asserting…

  • either spirituality is part of reality or it isn't – – the only part of reality that's hard to explain is Life
    – the rest is just physics, inertia and orbits – – the only angle I don't hear discussed is that Life is temporary and so are the pleasures or pain – what if we "volunteered" blindly for a life – any life – cruel or kind – suddenly it's not so bad is it ? everyone disliking their status quo is already lining up for reincarnation

  • A True critical thinker would NEVER say, They are ALL…" Throughout history there have been several True Prophets, and MANY false prophets. A real critical thinker looks at the individual, the message, also how vain, how much money, how much power? and many more criteria. Obvious examples might be most televangelists. (I don't know all, so I can't say all.) But, most, at first glance you see the individual is quite vain… Red flag! Quite rich… Another red flag. But, to then to label EVERYONE who talks about God as a false prophet, or a liar, is to abandon Critical Thinking in favor of the convenience of stereotype.
    In 65 years walking the big blue marble, I have never seen a stereotype that holds true, nor met anyone wielding a stereotype that bore anything even approximating Critical Thinking.
    As an individual, L. Ron Hubbard started Scientology on a bet, that he could get rich by inventing a religion. He was right. He was also a false prophet.
    As an individual, Joseph Smith was before my time, but, from what I've read and heard, he sounds like the L. Ron Hubbard of his day.
    Bottom line…. "They" are not "all" a bunch of.. (fill in the blank) The individual might be… but, "All" are definitely not.

  • Have you read Carl Sagans The Demon Haunted World?

  • 2:07 to 2:46 Was there a reason you deliberately left out the interpretation of many believers that the original creation was good and then ruined? 3:12 the word translated here as bastard is actually mamzer, a word generally attributed to a child of illegitimate union eg incest or as stated bastard, but other sources say the meaning is uncertain. Further investigation shows that belief is the primary reason for exclusion, although how these indicate belief is not stated. I point to the story of Ruth who was from Moab and yet she was King David's great grandmother. 4:01 the test of a prophet is accuracy. Did the supposed revelation come true? If not, then clearly not a prophet. Simple. 4:35 a subhuman underclass? Truly? I personally believe everyone is human. 5:38 Excellent point. Test everything, hold onto the good. 7:42 Another excellent piece of advice. Keep thinking for yourself. 16:12 True. Every belief system should be able to answer for itself reasonably and truthfully. Overall a well thought out video. Thank you.

  • This should be a mandatory sermon in all CHURCHES

  • The thing is, there is a universe ,there is the concept of fine tuning of the universe, so there must be a creator.you choose not to realize this fact, it's your own choice, But Islam has an additional and crucial perspective in Islam God has told us that He is the creator ,he told us about his attributes, so all the nonsense that you have said in your video is still a mere nonsense

  • Looking at artwork "if we use our own personal interpretations we will just be learning about ourselves"….THAT is the point😉 "Know thyself"

  • Bible never calls God "all merciful". It says he is a God of mercy and a merciful God, both imply limits to his mercy. Mercy is leniency of punishment but not at expense of the laws or principles from which hang.

  • Just wait Trump is working on a religious book. He just declared himself a serious Christian, and you had better believe that his dupes will eat it like mana straight from heaven, and delivered by Jesus. He will probably steal from "two" Corinthians, and the book will be really,really,really, bigly huge, and written in crayon.

  • People who are members or believers of a particular religion or sect remain loyal to their group because of the community and fellowship that their faith provides. Most believers don't spend much time considering the historical background or the dogmatic rituals of the religion or theology that is supposedly central to their lives. We all have the need to belong to a group or a tribe, that need is the best explanation for the continual existence of both ancient and modern religions and sects.

  • A manifestation of evolutionary chemical processes believing the evolutionary chemical processes of another organism are wrong.

  • 19:40 – I'll tell you what it would matter.
    If they were stolen, and reproduced, the thief could step forward and say they had stolen them, produce some version that didn't match, and claim Joseph Smith wasn't able to reproduce the text, and therefore wasn't a prophet.
    Maybe Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, but I'm sure even you could see the logic in that.

  • As someone who was raised in the Mormon faith, I'm very glad to see Mormonism discussed in your video. More information needs to get out there, so less people will get trapped into something they don't fully understand. If my parents knew what Joseph Smith was really like before they joined the Mormon religion, then I don't think they would have joined.

  • Context is king

  • You better not buy unknown women drinks at the pub

  • Joseph Smith was upset when he lost the pages mostly because he asked God already if he could let Martin have the manuscript. It's recorded well that he asked three times until God finally said yes. That's key. God taught the first prophet of the church (and many others) a great lesson. But besides all of that, you can't just push away the Book of Mormon like it's nothing. Look up Book of Mormon evidences on YouTube. BMC Studios has done some incredible work on those. Nothing can account for the complexity of the narrative and archaeological evidence. The Book of Mormon is a miracle that's been attacked for nearly two centuries.

  • Why do everyone want to debunk each other Christian against atheist Christian against Christians. Why can’t people decide who they are. I don’t need anyone to tell me how to live neither a Christian or an atheist. I am a created Being living on this earth. And I know a HIGHER POWER created me I don’t have any idea of an after life but I do know as I live and breathe I’ll live in my truth that’s in my heart and mind and it’s to be true to myself and others. I can understand if one don’t believe anything in the Bible but to believe that nothing create this universe is far fetch to me. The atheist look at the evil words written in the Bible and all the evil things humans does to decide there is no HIGER POWER. The evil in this world overweight the love and the good in an atheist mind. I can see the beauty in this world and the love in my heart for mankind to know there is something bigger than humans that created this universe. If the Bible is fabricated it don’t change how I live my life or my belief in a HIGHER POWER. Never once have i ever heard an atheist say why not just love each other be kind to each other be true to who you are and leave the rest to the universe but just to curse folks out to believe what they believe. Because how my life has change not one person can tell me there is no intelligence Being that is responsible for this universe in fact the more they curse at me and others calling us fools or stupid is the more I’ll believe in the ALMIGHTY CREATOR. Although I know in my heart the name is not God. But atheist can’t see beyond what’s written in the Bible and the evil minded people around the world. If I walk the street and I see a wallet first thing my mind is going allow me to find the owner not take the contents of what’s in the wallet so we decide to do the right thing or the wrong.

  • I find it hilarious that I keep getting PureFlix ads on these videos.

  • My god this should be compulsory viewing at every school religious education study…… And deserves to run as paid adverts on every television around the world.
    We will never have world peace while we have religion, proving how totally ungodly religion truly is!
    I find it interesting that religion fights against SATAN, when I discovered the word Satan actually means TRUTH or TRUTH ETERNAL in Sanskrit which was a language that latter Latin and Greek evolved from…..no wonder they fear it!

  • An honest unbeliever, Dr. E. Wengraf once confessed, “Every piece of anti-religious propaganda seems to me a crime. I surely do not wish it to be prosecuted as a crime, but I consider it immoral and loathsome. This not because of zeal for my convictions, but because of the simple knowledge, acquired through long experience that, given the same circumstances, a religious man is happier than the irreligious. In my indifference and skeptical attitude toward all positive faith, I have often envied other men to whom deep religiosity has given a strong support in all the storms of life. To uproot the souls of such men is an abject deed. I abhor any proselytizing. But still, I can understand why one who believes firmly in a saving faith tries to convert others. But I cannot understand a propaganda of unbelief. We do not have the right to take away from a person his protecting shelter, be it even a shabby hut, if we are not sure we can offer him a better, more beautiful house. But to lure men from the inherited home of their souls, to make them err afterward in the wilderness of hypotheses and philosophical question marks, is either criminal fatalisms or criminal mindlessness."

  • https://youtu.be/EkZMLAbgSRU John Gray on reason.

  • Only one problem, god exists in people's imaginations!

  • This is really good. The best idea of religion is the one from the American Indians who call God the Great Spirit.. of which we are all a part. No need for all the Other distracting bullshit. Just look up to the stars at night, it's all you need.

  • Just watched part one and part two. Thank you for this video. I am newley out of the Mormon faith and am finding my own path to walk and what to believe. This has helped me a lot.

  • It really is true, there is one born every minute.Mad as a box of frogs, the bloody lot of them!

  • Where exactly in the Bible does it encourage you to not think? I find the opposite is true. I find a little bit of thinking can help you find logical answers to the supposed contradictions in the Bible. Everything has its context. I do appreciate the info on debunking these "prophets" though.

  • Bees pollenate flowers and produce honey, supplying man with a source of food and medicine. Beetles contribute to many things in order to complete similar parallels in nature that are required to maintain and reform ecosystems and in turn the subsystems within them at an order of magnitude incapable of humans to visually observe and to maintain our planet in one complex system. The complexity becomes greater and greater when you look at things through this type of lens, the rotation and mass of our planets the way they are could not continue their rotation how they do if they weren’t put in such orbits forcefully, and life could not have formed without the ‘prewritten code’ that could not have written itself. No one can even begin, nor attempt, to give a clear scientific proof for why we found, a simple, highly intelligent language that is literally in all life which builds and forms impossibly small single cell organisms. A lot of this is pandering to people who are ignorant, much of it is rhetorical and not based on anything true. It is just someone trying to profit by repeating old mystery school ideological nonsense.

  • This guy is only describing false prophets. He assumes that all prophets are false prophets. He starts out by saying what is demonstrably true – that we can only know God when he reveals himself to us. But then he fights the idea that God has ever revealed himself.

  • Chapter after chapter of Isaiah would seem to prove the author of this video wrong. If Joseph Smith can dictate 13 chapters of Isaiah, without a bible, then certainly he could have retranslated the book of Lehi. And Martin Harris, along with 2 other witnesses saw the gold plates, and an angel, and heard the voice of God. If Joseph Smith can do that, then I doubt retranslation was a problem.

  • TheraminTrees seems obsessed with the name Elohim, a name which Joseph Smith rarely if ever used. I've looked through his writings. There isn't hardly a trace of Elohim. Elohim is just the Hebrew for God or gods. I think TheraminTrees is just making fun of Joseph Smith, because he thinks the name sounds funny.

  • Joseph Smith didn't translate the Book of Mormon in the conventional sense. He didn't know the Nephite language. He never explained exactly how the translation was accomplished, other to say it was by the gift and power of God. Whoever did do the translation used an early KJV of the bible, and only altered it where the passage was significantly different. This is actually what quite a few translators do – use the KJV as the baseline. I notice that the author of the video doesn't explain how Joseph Smith could recite the smallest detail of a 200 year old bible by looking in a hat.

  • Joseph Smith never claimed that the existing papyri were the Book of Abraham. One has to assume that the tiny surviving fragments glued to cardboard is the source of the Book of Abraham, or the whole argument falls apart. Eye witnesses described the Book of Abraham scroll to be roughly 20 feet long – much too long for a book of breathings or a book of the dead. The Egyptians often included religious writings with their funerary scrolls. The whole thing is religious in nature. By the way, scholars believe the Testament of Abraham came from Egypt.

  • Read "On Human Suffering and the Concept of God," poste 12 June, 2018, on — no sh*t — homoeroticpoems.blogspot.com . No joke.

  • Really, you discuss somebody who has ever been heard of by anybody more than about 30 to 60 people in a world of seven and a half billion.

    Man, like the government, is a woeful servant and an uncertain master. And just exactly like you there are prophets who had their own set of issues. Your intentional failure to look at the overall picture and ignore that by picking up on, what name very well be, misinterpretations of language, just shows your own previously drawn conclusions.

    As for whether or not a Creator might speak to people in a 17th century version of their language. It's about the 17th century when English was last fully comprehensive LOL. One example would be the word decimate which is used today to describe a devastating event but that is not its definition whatsoever. So it might be just as well that he use proper English rather than Modern English. It might also be just as well that he speak his language and everyone will understand exactly what he's saying because they will hear what he means to say. That's a different argument entirely.

  • The best way to start a religion is to have no public history, come out of nowhere, and bribe an auditorium full of people to say that they saw you do something amazing. That would be the lazy way to have a magician act. Just bribe everyone in the audience to say you made the woman disappear and escaped from a locked box.

  • Religion doesn’t like people who think…!!! What they’re looking for is people who are stupid, ignorant, uneducated, gullible, superstitious, credulous…!!!

  • Prophet Muhammad (SAW) never asked Muslims not to think. Rather, he said: "Search knowledge even to China." People who take up any doctrine as a robotic choice to rule out reason don't end up as moral people.

  • This universe is a sim. And yes, this universe really, really is a sim. Physicists have already found some of the underlying sim programming code. The proof that this universe is a sim already exists.

    Simbot… simulation-generated biological robot that mindlessly perpetuates the sim agenda and status quo. No matter how stupid and wrongful the universe sim agenda and status quo might be.

    The simbots are a direct reflection of what's going on in the underlying universe sim programming code. The simbots act like total dumbassedness because there's total dumbassedness in the underlying sim programming code.

    Their "mental functioning" consists entirely of a very short list of programmed presets inherent in the underlying universe sim programming code parameters.

  • “I’m the new prophet, lol!”

    Seems legit.

  • I disagree : you have to be a 'good' viewer to recognize 'good' art. A work of art should stand completely on it's own. Celebrity and money are the root of all evil. Your better approaching any art work as a new born baby than to "know" what someone else thinks of it. People are like sheep, grasping at their own insecurities, following the easiest path and not trusting their own experiences.

  • And yet Jesus Christ chose to die in our stead, so that we would be saved from eternal damnation. Yes, even for you, Scoffer.

    "My Kingdom is not of this world." Why do you want to cling to this poor life as if it is the only one? If it is, it's too pathetic and pointless to be cherished, and asking for something better is no more than what we should expect.

    You Atheists think you're so smart. Take the red pill, fool. If God exists, you win. If not, you have lost nothing.

  • You know God exists…you all do. We all do..
    These are spiteful leaps at best.

  • Basically what we think is illegal and wrong is the norm in religion

    Take getting a job or a promotion – you see a guy or a woman getting ahead because well ahem they "knew" the boss – you think that is pure scum

    Well, that is the norm in religion – you have to pray to the "right" God, kiss the right butt to get to Heaven!

    God is like a Dictator/Strongman doling out comforts of Heaven but only if you make sure to join "his" religion and pray to him using the "right" name

    Religion turns good people into scum buckets so quickly it's unbelievable

  • If the oldest profession is prostitution, then the second oldest profession is being a charlatan, a scammer, lyer, bullshitter, prophet.

  • who is Umberto Eco to prophesy to me? just a another of the false Christs Jesus said would come after him. Did Umberto rise from the dead, was any book written of him millenial before he was born, did die a cruel death that he couldve avoided but allowed to save the world?

  • The Christian God Jesus is Satan the devil and he is not coming back… Christians worship Satan with a human sacrifice of Jesus to Satan… you've been deceived… repent accept Jahovah an do good works.

  • The painting analogy at the beginning is fantastic! Some excellent quotes here: Umberto Eco's at teh beginning, and the "Those who would ask you not to think are NEVER your friends." Good stuff.

  • You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything

  • I am from the Church of Scientology. All your names and IP Addresses have been recorded. Prepare for a massive campaign of lawsuits. You have dishounored our dear founder. who wanted only the best for humanity. Remove this video at once, at your own peril.

  • I did not know that prisoners in prison are forced to convert.

  • I find the arguments against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be very one sided and leaves out important details that one would need to make an accurate assessment of the validity of Joseph Smith's prophetic ability.

    Basically, he sets up a straw man of the facts so he can easily poke holes in it and then question the intelligence of all Latter-day Saints.

    For instance, why did he not mention how the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham contain amazing consistencies with ancient documents and the ancient world that Joseph Smith could not have known about in his life time. One example is the many words in the books that many assumed Joseph just made up and then years after his death ancient documents have been discovered confirming these words were used anciently, and also had the correct English interpretation. Such words include: Jershon, Alma, Nahom, Deseret, Shazer, Sariah, etc. This is one small evidence of the truthfullness of the Book of Mormon, but you rarely get a critic to seroisly attempt to answer these questions, only straw man arguments to lull away the unknowing.

  • Everyone needs to know that CCF (CLIMATE CRISIS FRAUD) is being decietfully applied by the fraudsters, to make everyone but themsevles poorer. For direct proof you can see my videos and my book. My video shows how CO2 does not induce back radiant heating and my book explains it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjT_665T6U Climate change is the modern religion and it is one gigantic lie.

  • Incredibly stupid.

  • John 17 : 5 "…………. Father glorify me in Your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

  • The part which explains about freedoms being taken away not only religiously but politically is happening in the UK right now.
    We have a man in prison for Journalism! This, in one of the supposedly most democratic countries in the world!

  • Have you ever thought what prophets contribute? I'm not talking about cults. Prophets often challenge a society that is stagnant or decadent, and while they are irritating, they can lead people to a better society.

  • We couldn't see the extent of "it is finished" the earth quaked and the rock split at the foot of the Cross, Christs blood was released by the Roman soldier who pierced his side. While Six hundred years earlier The Ark of the Covenant was moved.. Solomon prepared for its hiding and Jeremiah moved it precisely under the cross yet future! GOLGOTHA.

    THE WITNESS OF THE BLOOD IN THE STARS.. REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    The Rabbi's keep the tablets of stone and the blood (testimony) found on the mercy seat.

    I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourn for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    ENMITY is what exists now the solution is in the Fathers witness!

    1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believe on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believe not God hath made him a liar; because he believe not the record that God gave of his Son.

    For it is by His grace we are rescued, through faith; and this is not of yourselves, but it is the gift of Elohim. (when opened). 9. Not of works, or else anyone glory (in themselves). 10. For we are His creation who are created in Y'shua the Mashiyach for good works which Elohim has before prepared for us to walk in. 11. Wherefore be mindful that you formerly were carnal Gentiles; and you were called the uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision of which is the work of the hands in the flesh. 12. And you were, at that time, without the Mashiyach; and were aliens from the Devarim of Israel; and strangers to the covenant of the promise; and were without hope and without Elohim in the world. 13. But now, by Y'shua the Mashiyach, you who before were afar off, have been brought near by the Blood of the Mashiyach. 14. He is Himself our peace, who has
    made the two (become) ONE <– NO ONE TEACHES THIS !!
    and has demolished the Wall which stood in the midst, and the Enmity, by his flesh. 15. And in his flesh (the) enmity and regulations of commands (contained) in his commandments are ABOLISHED that in himself he might make the two into ONE, establishing peace. 16. And has reconciled BOTH with Elohim in one body and has slain the enmity by his stake(of execution). 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    THE VEIL. Second Corinthians 3:6-18 Who has fitted us to be ministers of the renewed covenant, not in the letter, but in the spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7. Now if the ministration of death was engraved upon stones in writing, and was so glorious that the children of Israel could not look at the face of Moshe on account of the glory upon his face which vanished away; 8. How then will not the ministration of the Spirit be still be more glorious? 9. For if there was glory in the ministration of condemnation, how much more will the ministration of righteousness excel in glory? 10. For that which was glorious was as if not glorious in comparison with this which excels in glory. 11.For if that (condemnation) WHICH IS ABOLISHED was glorious, much more must, that which abides be glorious! 12. Seeing therefore we have THIS HOPE, we the more speak with boldness 13. And are not like Moshe, who threw the veil over his face that the children of Israel might not behold the termination of that (condemnation)which was ABOLISHED! 14. But they were blinded in their understanding because until this day, when the ancient Covenant is read, the same veil rests upon them; NOR IS IT MANIFEST (to them), that it (condemnation) is ABOLISHED by the Mashiyach. 15. And to this day, when Moshe is read, a veil is thrown upon their hearts. 16. But when any of them is turned to master YHWH, is the veil taken from him. 17. Now Master YHWH Himself is the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Master YHWH is, there is freedom. 18. And we all, with uncovered faces, behold as in a mirror the glory of Master YHWH ; and are transformed into the same likeness, from glory to glory, as by Master YHWH the SPIRIT!

    https://youtu.be/hnxmoF0UZhc Rabbi Chaim Richman

    https://youtu.be/qAFtormiU_0 3 minutes

    https://youtu.be/CsjusN6VVko 56 minutes

    There are glad songs of victory in the tents of the righteous: The right hand of the Lord does valiantly; the right hand of the Lord is exalted; the right hand of the Lord does valiantly. His blood is sprinkled on the right hand side of the Mercy Seat! Psalm 118.

    https://youtu.be/5UG1BewWd74 Isaiah 53 is the first gospel!

    I did meet with the archeologist Vendyl Jones in 1983. His person was modeled in the Harrison Ford character. (endy) He at that time believed he had found Zadok's tomb. He was given use of the copper scroll, which was an impression map and located many hidden temple treasures. According to Vendyl the Israelis wouldn't let him go after the Ark and he knew it's location was shown on the copper scroll. Vendyl was the second archeologist to confirm the Arks location.

    Scripture reference regarding the Ark finding. https://youtu.be/-lxUxhwrK0o

  • Moroni…….. Moron, I
    Coincidence? I think not!

  • Groups suck. I dislike joining things for this exact reason… what am I taking on as baggage? Are there hidden consequences? I once listened to Alex Jones for years (there I said it) and one day I realized he'd scream about "turning the frickin' frogs gay" (oh that's real and I was 100% listening live) then the VERY NEXT THING he'd do is sell a fucking water filter supposedly capable of removing that "gay chemical" from the water. That's so dumb and offensive on SO MANY levels it finally woke me up to the fact I was deep in a herd of stupids and needed to make a run for it immediately. Thankfully that's as far as I got down that road, but yeah. That's a thing that sticks with me and comes to mind every time people want me to join things or believe in stuff.

  • People who don't want you to think are never your friend
    Is that why atheists on YT are busy telling us how to think?

  • by assuming that animals die everyday in fear and agony,,(in nature, not in abbatoirs, which are horrific) you are making the same mistake of projecting your own experience onto another.
    We actually do not know, if the moment of the kill does not activate adrenaline or some other mechanism that relieves the stress in the moment of dying.
    i was severely wounded in a car accident. I felt nothing, though my ankle and foot was hanging by a few threads of skin.
    Because of this, i wont watch the rest of this opinionated video. Because it is just trying to make you swap your opinion for theirs.
    The usual yt BS.

  • Quality thinking, quality production

  • @TheraminTrees …
    Why haven't you taken on the REAL hucksters and source of all these spin-off charlatan "Prophets"… the Old Testament and… AND… the New Testament?

    I've written a great deal on debunking them BOTH and would be happy to share my work and help with material for a video like this one about them.

    Are you FOR REAL? Or are you only willing to take on these little side cults and religious fractions, but hypocritically protecting The Bible and Quran for personal reasons?

    Let's tackle the MOTHER of all "Prophet" bullshit… Judaism and its prophets… and Christianity with its Jesus… and Islam with Muhammad.

    Stop fooling around with these insignificant "little fish" and let's harpoon the whales.

  • One wonders how Joseph Smith could dictate the entire Book of Mormon with his his head in his hat, never once having any part of it read back to him and even describing Old World Arabia in perfect, accurate detail that never, even once, was wrong. In the 1990s, a place called Nahom was discovered exactly where the Book of Mormon said it was. They also discovered the Book of Mormon Bountiful, where Nephi built his ship.

    One can reach these destinations with only a compass, a land rover and a Book of Mormon. So how did Smith do it? How did he quote hundreds of chiasmatic (a Hebrew inverted writing style) passages without ever having the previous passages read back? Cities, rivers and other destinations are all completely consistent in the Book of Mormon, something that's just not possible from looking into a hat! People like you have no explanation. Take away the hat, give Joseph Smith a text to read from and you still can't explain how he knew about Old World geography that was explicitly correct.

    How did he even know about chiasmus, which wasn't known about until the late 1960s and early 70s? And how did he know about other Hebraisms that found their way into the original Book of Mormon? And how did he produce the witnesses? Do YOU know anyone who would lie for you to their dying day, and then, on their death beds, swear their lies just before dying? Me, either. I can't even find any who would tell such lies on a temporary basis.

    Smith even shared a vision with an ex-Campbellite preacher who had initially been skeptical of Smith. The Vision, as it's called, taught many things this preacher had never believed in. In fact, it was opposed to just about everything he'd ever taught. Some even left the church over it. You've got a lot of 'splaining to do before you can explain away Joseph Smith. And no one has ever been able to produce a Book of Mormon, period. It's easy to ridicule Smith, but you can't replicate or explain away what he produced.

  • Unless you understand rabinical law of the TORAH, or have the ability to find proof by two witnesses or more that the prophet has NEVER missed a prophecy and not one has fallen to the ground, then you will find it very hard to recognize one as a real prophet. The only alternative, is being led by the Holy spirit.Fortunately I am able to use all three means, and have done so and know the top 12, but there is still one that is unknown, but that will be revealed in G-d's own time, for I have all I need.
    Anyone that wants to find G-d's leaders on earth, I can direct them to these men.

  • Answer: The Creator is the phenomenon of pattern based Artificial intelligence producing our sentience.

  • Well, the first message is marvellous and so true. Then we're stepping in to the court room. Judgment. Can we judge the Giver?
    We are only receivers from the beginning to the end. Everything is a gift. Good and bad experiences – all is a gift. We should be thankful not judgmental.

  • All of this can be applied to public school system too

  • The Book of Mormon reference at 23:15 is actually 2 Nephi 16:2. In a 2017 printing in my possession "seraphims" now appears as "seraphim," but I'm sure few modern-day Mormons are aware of the initial plagiarism from the KJV Isaiah.

  • Galatians 6 : 7 – 9 " Don't deceive yourselves ; no one can make a fool of God ; whatever a man sows this he will also reap. He who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap Life eternal."

  • This is so true! I was a member of Scientology in my 30's, and when I got to the TR4 level, my mind begged me to look around at the robotic responses we were all demanded to give. As a child I was abandoned by family and thus I gravitated towards cults like this. The more I questioned there approach absent of common sense and logic, each programmer assigned to me would shrug their shoulders and send another to try and persuade me to the teaching only to fail at their indoctrination . I finally left, but they followed me everywhere and I had to threaten them with bodily harm if they didn't stop, to which they finally gave up on me. I then investigated EST, and found the same thing, and quickly removed myself from that insanity also. Then while searching for a group to belong to beings I had no family, I joined the cult of Christianity . I remained there some 30 years in my delusion, until I couldn't any longer prove by my studies in science, biology, psychology, ancient history outside the confines of the church and Astro theology, to come to the conclusion I have been lied to and wasted half my life in it. I hope others watch these great videos to gain real freedom from the shackles of religious dogma and brain washing propaganda .

  • "If we hypothesize that the universe has some mysterious creator then to know something about that creator we would have to correctly interpret its creation, but that demands we know something first about the creator."

    This dumbass doing these videos is only good for comedy. And what's even funnier is the following he has.

    Let me show you what thinking is like since you clowns don't like to think. If there is evidence for a murder, you go with that evidence first. This clown would not claim it's a murder until he knows the murderer(s) first.

    How did you all get so stupid? Do you regularly hit your heads against the wall?

    Let me give you an example of not only some BASIC science you dumbasses don't know, but a logical way of approaching creation.

    Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.

  • In addition to the issues mentioned here, The Book of Mormon was written in the USA in the early 19th Century, but "translated" into an approximation of 17th Century English, a language nobody had spoken (even in England) for over a century. Much like Dorothy Martin's linguistic anachronisms, the language of the Book of Mormon seems to intentionally resemble that of the King James Bible…making it more readily marketable to the minimally educated masses who equate such language with, "The Word of God."

  • Is there a place we can listen to the music in these videos? I find the pieces so compelling

  • People say they are ,"Life long conservatives", Does it mean they were born in a conservative hospital and went to conservative kindergarten with conservative teachers. Giod was conservative when giving them brains.

  • This Liberterian wants people to go before a judge… How Libertarian. How do all the millions of people get Drivers Licence, but less people don't have to get a licence for guns, any guns so it can be seen how many and what kind of guns they own. It can be done in the gun stores, with a photo. Dear misinformed Libertarian our rights are in theUS Constition NOT God given rights. He will run, but NEVER win. He doesn't know what he is talking about.

  • At the end you gave thanks to FSM. Bless thou with extra parmesan…

  • I found religion to be absurd when no one could answer my questions as a child. It's social engineering, that's all.

  • Members of these clubs are like the bad guys in cartoons. They always lose at the end but are always there next episode to annoy the goodies. Iq never gets them were they want to be ie truly global so they settle for manpower instead.

  • I love how you know the mind of Joseph Smith, the theives of the 116 pages. And the mind of God. What's your next trick? LOL

  • @Theramin Trees, or any other commenter here, could you please tell me the name of the font in your videos. I love the mix of serifs and san-serifs. Very unique and lovely.

    And by the bloody way, I freakin' love your content.

  • No Matter What Happens,

    People will remain

    STUPID…

    At least the Vast Majority….

  • Reminds me of progressivism.

  • At about age nine I remember hearing bible stories in Sunday school in which a OT prophet had a imagic spell casting competition which pited God against Baal. When the Baal priest was able to create magic by calling upon Baal I realized that something was very wrong. When I was taught that God punished his chosen people who left some livestock alive in order to feed people and sacrifice to God instead of killing every living thing in that town according to his instructions I knew something was very wrong. When I read that God answered prayers and never had one answered I knew that something was very wrong with what people expected me to believe.I eventually figured out that Christianity was no more valid than any other religion .It too,was simply superstition and myth.

  • at 12:06 sounds a lot like the too big to fail situation like w the banks in what was it 2008 + or – they did a movie whit that vbery title. too committed to quit it.

  • I like that so many people are stupid and have flaws in their critical thinking skills. They'll make the right kind of workers at my kids businesses so they can enjoy their lives.

  • This is why I encourage people to practice a loose belief in God. No specifics, no rituals, and no assumptions other than that there even is a God.

    Trying to interpret something we know nothing about is asinine, and due to the test of time we have no way of figuring out if any "sacred texts" like the Bible or Quran are even the divine word of a deity.

    It's both easier and more sensible to have a blanket belief rather than one filled with complications and potential lies.

  • One day this will be taught in schools when finally religion comes to a halt and reason will prevail

  • Бред полнейший!!!

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